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Old 01-10-2013, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Well, recent prominent spree shootings outside of gun-free zones would include:

The Geneva County massacre in rural southern Alabama.

The Appomattox shootings in southern Virginia.

The 2011 Tucson massacre.

The 2011 Yuma, Arizona massacre.

The 2011 Grand Rapids massacre.

The Wisconsin hunter massacre.

The Lakewood, Washington police officer massacre.

The Carthage, North Carolina nursing home massacre.

The Grand Prairie, Texas roller rink massacre.

The Seattle Cafe Racer massacre.

The 2011 Copley Township, Ohio massacre.

The 2006 Central City massacre in New Orleans.

The 2008 Memphis massacre.

The 2008 Skagit County, Washington shooting spree.

The 2006 Hamilton Ave. massacre in Indianapolis.

That's a partial list; I'm sure there are others. All of those shooting sprees took place outside of gun-free zones, and in two of those cases, every single victim of the shooting spree was armed at the time of being shot.

America has a lot of shootings. That's just how this country is.

Thank you, can we just stop with stupid "gun free zone" nonsense, it's not as if they really care or read the sign, do you think someone armed with mulitple rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammunition focuses on a restriction.
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Old 01-10-2013, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I'm sure you have all heard or read about the school shooting today in CA. What a shame this happened. The good news is, the 16 year old holding the shotgun was able to be talked down before anyone got killed. Here are your daily reminders.......

*** Once again this shooting happened in a state that has some of the most restrictive firearms laws in the entire country

*** Once again this shooting occured in a so-called "gun free zone"

*** Once again this shooting occured in a facility where it could reasonably be assumed that the shooter would not be immediately met with equal or greater force of resistence than his own

*** Once again the firearm used in this shooting was illegally obtained by someone who the law expessly forbids from having a gun

Lets not lose perspective people.... gun control has and continues to fail us as a society.
Shooter also used a shotgun, so obviously we need to ban teenagers from having access to shotguns. While we are at it, make illegal for teenagers to shot people with shotguns too.
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Old 01-10-2013, 07:01 PM
 
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Thank you, can we just stop with stupid "gun free zone" nonsense, it's not as if they really care or read the sign, do you think someone armed with mulitple rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammunition focuses on a restriction.
Yes, do you really think it was just a coincidence that the Colorado theater shooting was in the only theater that had a "gun free zone"? As he drove by a few other theaters?

Why are people only doing mass shootings in these type places......
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Yes, do you really think it was just a coincidence that the Colorado theater shooting was in the only theater that had a "gun free zone"? As he drove by a few other theaters?

Why are people only doing mass shootings in these type places......
They are crazy, you give them too much credit, churches, movie theaters, military bases they just do not care.
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:06 AM
 
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They are crazy, you give them too much credit, churches, movie theaters, military bases they just do not care.
Really, is that why those guys rig their apartments to explode.....

Most everything you named is a gun free zone, even the miltiary base......is a gun free zone....
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:27 AM
 
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I wonder why these shootings get so much enthusiasm from the left and so much indifference from the right? Both are a little sick but I guess the left is the worse of the two.
I'd like to hear more of the facts of the case. Was it a personal issue between the two that got carried too far? Was it a disturbed student who randomly shot somebody and then realized the horribleness of what they'd done and surrendered?
About 15 years ago a similar shooting took place in a school not far from my home. A smaller student who felt he was picked on( maybe he was although they had two sides saying different things) shot and killed a bigger student who supposedly bullied him. I remember thinking that if I was a teacher I would have sat my class down and laid it out as follows for them:
One , don't be a jerk. Don't constantly bully and harrass people or individuals in particular because you never know if they might snap. Likewise, don't ask for abuse. Don't be a smartass or go around being indifferent to how people perceive you if you can help it. And expect some level of bullying or ridicule or even meanness. Not everyone will like you and thats part of life so get used to it. Don't over react. You can become a better stronger person by putting up with it and forgetting about it and not participating in that kind of crappy behavior. But if you see someone who obviously can't deal with it, say something to help them, don't just watch the abuse take place.
What they ABSOLUTELY should do in every school is have a full day program where they show videos of shootings in schools and how its affected people their own age. Show the dead and their surviving family and friends. Show how lives have been destroyed or ruined. Then spend a few hours discussing what they've seen.
Show the shooters and what happened to them. Were they killed? Are they spending the rest of their lives in prison in miserable conditions? Do they have remorse? Kids don't have good empathy skills and don't have the ability to understand the results of their actions. They need to understand that their will be consequences. Maybe they could take those lessons into adulthood with them. Do the same with crime, drunk driving, drug use, unplanned pregnancy.
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:45 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Then why are those other shootings, not in gun free zones, not on the news as much as those that are "in gun free zones?"
Because the media reports things that are unusual

Murders in East Saint Louis, Detroit, Camden or New Orleans don't make national news because they happen all the time. Random school shootings happen very infrequently and have been happening for many years. I work with a guy who was in the elementary school where that nut girl came to the school and killed people because she "hated mondays". That was over 30 years ago.

America is a very violent nation. No other country in the civilized world is even close. It's been our history from the very beginning.

I don't believe gun control works because many of these gun crimes are committed by people who obtain the firearms illegally, but I do believe we can do some things to help it...and arming teachers is NOT the way. Most teachers are meek people who would probably shoot a student by accident if armed. We can't afford to HIRE security guards for every school in America either, but we could take all of those soldiers training for the wars of the past (we don't need foot soldiers anymore, we just need drones and special operations teams to conduct war) and station them as security guards at every campus in America. It wouldn't add anything to the budget because we're already wasting a fortune on them anyway, we might as well have them actually protect our kids instead of having them in Guam, Germany and Poland...

Just like the media focuses on any story involving a pretty white girl, the media LOVES a massacre. You think CNN was upset about Sandy Hook? Heck no! They were ecstatic because people actually watch CNN when things like that happen. Why do you think they spend so much time on individual issues when there's literally thousands of news stories every day?

Camden, New Jersey is a city with 77,000 residents...last year over 120 of those residents was murdered. That's one murder every three days in a small city with less than 80,000 residents. Not one of those murders made national news. Not one. Is it more tragic that one person was shot at a school in California (and talked down by a teacher) than the 120+ who were murdered in Camden last year?
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:51 AM
 
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Because the media reports things that are unusual
No, they report things that fit their agenda.....why did we not see the over abundance of MSM talking about the off duty cop at a movie who stopped the gunman....

They did not want to show you, that guns can and will continue to do good things....
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Old 01-11-2013, 08:20 AM
 
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Well, recent prominent spree shootings outside of gun-free zones would include:

The Geneva County massacre in rural southern Alabama.

The Appomattox shootings in southern Virginia.

The 2011 Tucson massacre.

The 2011 Yuma, Arizona massacre.

The 2011 Grand Rapids massacre.

The Wisconsin hunter massacre.

The Lakewood, Washington police officer massacre.

The Carthage, North Carolina nursing home massacre.

The Grand Prairie, Texas roller rink massacre.

The Seattle Cafe Racer massacre.

The 2011 Copley Township, Ohio massacre.

The 2006 Central City massacre in New Orleans.

The 2008 Memphis massacre.

The 2008 Skagit County, Washington shooting spree.

The 2006 Hamilton Ave. massacre in Indianapolis.

That's a partial list; I'm sure there are others. All of those shooting sprees took place outside of gun-free zones, and in two of those cases, every single victim of the shooting spree was armed at the time of being shot.

America has a lot of shootings. That's just how this country is.
What do nearly all of these shootings have in common? They were committed with handguns, not assault weapons. Proposed assault gun bans wouldn't have stopped these crimes.
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Old 01-11-2013, 08:28 AM
 
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With a shotgun so how would an assault weapons ban have stopped that one? I bet dollars to donuts you would come out with a we need sensible gun laws on assault shotguns if you had a ban on the current semi autos. Its the camels nose under the tent.
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