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PRECISELY! and my point exactly of how wasteful these lobbying groups really are! It is ALL just a front, because every single employer has back end access to anyone's Facebook/Twitter etc account. They can invoke it as part of a background check and Facebook will not refuse money to provide the requested information.
It is NOT about the people by a long shot...and defending their rights, it is all about money.
My employer can't get my facebook password because I wear a double think tin foil hat!
I think the op's last post pretty much sums up what most of us already knew.
Algia I think the nice orderly has your morning meds ready for you, and then maybe if your good you can go to the rec room and eat some more of the checkers with your imaginary friends.
Long winded post alert. lol Read if you feel like reading a lot.
Free markets were supposed to lead to free societies. Instead, today's supercharged global economy is eroding the power of the people in democracies around the globe. Welcome to a world where ... government takes a back seat to big business. ..
Democracy is designed to allow citizens to address these very issues in constructive ways. And yet a sense of political powerlessness is on the rise among citizens in Europe, Japan, and the United States... In short, no democratic nation is effectively coping with capitalism's negative side effects.
If the purpose of capitalism is to allow corporations to play the market as aggressively as possible, the challenge for citizens is to stop these economic entities from being the authors of the rules by which we live.
Capitalism has it's side effects and they aren't conducive to democracy which is one reason societies that rely on capitalist governments feel helpless to large business. Even socialist governments feel the pinch from capitalism but they can and do often prevent it from touching societies needs like healthcare and basic education which gives it's citizens a leg up when dealing with capitalism.
Being healthy and educated puts you at an advantage in this market. Which is one of the reasons they are starting to have an advantage over us.
What will simply happen is America will lose it's edge in the market because it does not provide advantage to it's citizens.
We will slowly lose our advantage.
You can see this happening as I'm typing. Some capitalist governments have turned toward a change to socialism as they want this advantage as well. I doubt America will change though, we are locked into a contract with business through our constitution. The constitution gives little way to change, it's stagnate.
In societies that can't progress you can see the pull to move backward by it's citizens. Like you see here in the U.S. Unfortunately we can't, the world is progressing despite our wants. This just puts us further down the advantage ladder.
Weapon sales of all kinds play a big part in our government (selling to other countries)and our society(selling them to civilians and civil servants).
The healthcare Industry is a large producer here as well.
We will not win against these large suppliers, they have successfully turned our human needs for life and health into a commodity. They are now wants. We want to go to a doctor, we want to avoid getting shot. This again puts at a disadvantage to those countries that treat health and life as a need and provide a means for it included in their freedoms. We don't have this advantage in America. This puts small business at a disadvantage as well, it puts small business wishing to be a big player to gain advantage like a singer praying to become Madonna one day. The chances are one in a million of this happening to either.
As you might have guessed I do not favor a capitalist government. It hampers democracy, IMO. But, it is what we've got and won't be changing anytime soon. We are in to deep so to speak. We have to have millions to run for office here, we have to have millions to induce change here. This puts us again, at an individual disadvantage to other countries who simple need a voice.
Large companies only advocate on what makes them money, they only donate for what makes them money, they have no choice it's how capitalism works.
We as an individual have to take all aspects of this if we want them as a representative. There's the big catch. You want the NRA to represent you then you have to take all it represents and most of that isn't your right to bear arms, it's your want to purchase them regardless of responsibility. Of course Walmart sells guns, selling is it's bottom line the only way to stop the cycle is refusing to buy.
Refusing to buy - hard to do when Walmart pushes out small business and presents themselves as the only shopping option in small towns. It was a brilliant strategy.
This is a good read for who is interested:
Walmart lobbies big time and not for human interest, for money interests.
"In its disclosure filed with the US Senate, Wal-Mart has said it spent close to $25 million (about Rs 125 crore) since 2008 on its various lobbying activities, including on the issues related to "enhanced market access for investment in India".
Walmart could pay higher wages and give better insurance options but it's to busy growing like a super giant would and they can focus on the bottom line, we allow them to grow regardless of how many employee complaints they accrue or how many human rights they walk over. Democracy isn't working here.
Last edited by PoppySead; 01-26-2013 at 07:37 AM..
Well see the problem with the first amendment "being fought for" is this: when working for a company in the US, that company prohibits you from the 1st amendment through their "politically correct" crap policies. They give you the "employee manual" which explains all the things you're NOT allowed to do. Here on CD on certain boards you're not allowed to have a different view/opinion, and you're forced pretty much become a cheerleader for a certain area even though it sucks. This is also a private company. "There is no 1st amendment here" is what was explained to me last year by a private company. Mind you, most people are not even going to complain about a company or their work at work...or be insulting to others....so these fascists practices of businesses all across the US is going flat out against the 1st amendment, and the organization below does nothing for it. (Because if it did, we would actually see it; companies would fall right and left for infringing on peoples rights given by the US constitution).
When I lived in Europe I made ALL my friends at work.....several coworkers were married to each other etc....here in the US this is almost unheard off.....even though people spend the most time in a day AT work.
Please tell me that you don't really believe that people who are content with their lives have any reasons for violence!???? let's take these two examples: a pediatrician and a crack town resident!? or a pediatrician and a Walmart worker. You are obviously not familiar with the movie Trading Places...which is exactly what happens here in the US daily. Do you think people who have food on their table are going to steal?
Here's a fresh example for u: Would-Be Pizza Robber Cries at Papa John's | Video - ABC News
Your ignorance towards the rest of the world is also of magnified proportions. The fact that you bring up Russia....is laughable at best! Bring up Sweden, then we can talk. But you'd had to live there a while to "get it"! I feel sorry for you that you think weaponry, and defending obsolete "rights" is the way to go!
PoppySeed is perfectly correct; sorry I can't rep you for some reason.
TY Algia! I feel it's nice that you can see through the trees. I for one am really glad you opened a thread addressing lobbying.
TY Algia! I feel it's nice that you can see through the trees. I for one am really glad you opened a thread addressing lobbying.
Thank you
It is truly mind blowing to see how people refuse to advance as a society, and choose to remain buried 200 years ago in mentalities when we pretty much progressed in every other way. People were not cloning sheep in 1700's either! LOL And also refuse to accept that there are other countries who chose to live today, and who applied their constitutions to reflect our current society and its challenges. Benjamin Franklin & Washington were not playing Words with Friends on iPhones! LOL Imagine if they did...
(and of course ppl resort to name calling when they can't evolve)
Long winded post alert. lol Read if you feel like reading a lot.
Free markets were supposed to lead to free societies. Instead, today's supercharged global economy is eroding the power of the people in democracies around the globe. Welcome to a world where ... government takes a back seat to big business. ..
Democracy is designed to allow citizens to address these very issues in constructive ways. And yet a sense of political powerlessness is on the rise among citizens in Europe, Japan, and the United States... In short, no democratic nation is effectively coping with capitalism's negative side effects.
If the purpose of capitalism is to allow corporations to play the market as aggressively as possible, the challenge for citizens is to stop these economic entities from being the authors of the rules by which we live.
Capitalism has it's side effects and they aren't conducive to democracy which is one reason societies that rely on capitalist governments feel helpless to large business. Even socialist governments feel the pinch from capitalism but they can and do often prevent it from touching societies needs like healthcare and basic education which gives it's citizens a leg up when dealing with capitalism.
Being healthy and educated puts you at an advantage in this market. Which is one of the reasons they are starting to have an advantage over us.
What will simply happen is America will lose it's edge in the market because it does not provide advantage to it's citizens.
We will slowly lose our advantage.
You can see this happening as I'm typing. Some capitalist governments have turned toward a change to socialism as they want this advantage as well. I doubt America will change though, we are locked into a contract with business through our constitution. The constitution gives little way to change, it's stagnate.
In societies that can't progress you can see the pull to move backward by it's citizens. Like you see here in the U.S. Unfortunately we can't, the world is progressing despite our wants. This just puts us further down the advantage ladder.
Weapon sales of all kinds play a big part in our government (selling to other countries)and our society(selling them to civilians and civil servants).
The healthcare Industry is a large producer here as well.
We will not win against these large suppliers, they have successfully turned our human needs for life and health into a commodity. They are now wants. We want to go to a doctor, we want to avoid getting shot. This again puts at a disadvantage to those countries that treat health and life as a need and provide a means for it included in their freedoms. We don't have this advantage in America. This puts small business at a disadvantage as well, it puts small business wishing to be a big player to gain advantage like a singer praying to become Madonna one day. The chances are one in a million of this happening to either.
As you might have guessed I do not favor a capitalist government. It hampers democracy, IMO. But, it is what we've got and won't be changing anytime soon. We are in to deep so to speak. We have to have millions to run for office here, we have to have millions to induce change here. This puts us again, at an individual disadvantage to other countries who simple need a voice.
Large companies only advocate on what makes them money, they only donate for what makes them money, they have no choice it's how capitalism works.
We as an individual have to take all aspects of this if we want them as a representative. There's the big catch. You want the NRA to represent you then you have to take all it represents and most of that isn't your right to bear arms, it's your want to purchase them regardless of responsibility. Of course Walmart sells guns, selling is it's bottom line the only way to stop the cycle is refusing to buy.
Refusing to buy - hard to do when Walmart pushes out small business and presents themselves as the only shopping option in small towns. It was a brilliant strategy.
This is a good read for who is interested:
Walmart lobbies big time and not for human interest, for money interests.
"In its disclosure filed with the US Senate, Wal-Mart has said it spent close to $25 million (about Rs 125 crore) since 2008 on its various lobbying activities, including on the issues related to "enhanced market access for investment in India".
Walmart could pay higher wages and give better insurance options but it's to busy growing like a super giant would and they can focus on the bottom line, we allow them to grow regardless of how many employee complaints they accrue or how many human rights they walk over. Democracy isn't working here.
We need the NRA because we have people in government that don't care about honoring the constitution. The NRA exposes them so we can get rid of them and vote for someone worthy of the office.
We need the NRA because we have people in government that don't care about honoring the constitution.
So they should be "fired" then...were they not aware of our constitution before spending millions to get elected?
I doubt it...you're telling me that the REST of the Gov is blind and deaf? AND I also don't see many senators fired during their 6 years terms of doing nothing....
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The NRA exposes them so we can get rid of them and vote for someone worthy of the office.
"There is no 1st amendment here" is what was explained to me last year by a private company. Mind you, most people are not even going to complain about a company or their work at work...or be insulting to others....so these fascists practices of businesses all across the US is going flat out against the 1st amendment, and the organization below does nothing for it. (Because if it did, we would actually see it; companies would fall right and left for infringing on peoples rights given by the US constitution).
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Read the first five words. Read them again.
Now do you understand why the 1st Amendment doesn't apply to private entities and the contracts they enter into?
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Originally Posted by algia
When I lived in Europe...
Need some help getting back? We're a very charitable country. I'll throw in the first hundred bucks for your plane ticket, on the condition that it's one-way.
every single employer has back end access to anyone's Facebook/Twitter etc account. They can invoke it as part of a background check and Facebook will not refuse money to provide the requested information.
Ok, now you've just relegated yourself to the wacky world of unfounded conspiracy theories.
We need the NRA because we have people in government that don't care about honoring the constitution. The NRA exposes them so we can get rid of them and vote for someone worthy of the office.
LOL, yep, that's a possibility. I think the government is honoring capitalism just fine and protecting their own rights to sell weapons. Guns are big money. Ask Cheney.
"Administration officials and military contractors said the White House was also considering selling 337 M1-A1 tanks and about 160 Bradley fighting vehicles to the United Arab Emirates in a deal that would total more than $2.1 billion, including the Apaches. The helicopter portion is worth about $500 million, a Pentagon official said." Cheney Says U.S. Plans New Arms Sale to the Mideast - NYTimes.com
The U.S. is still the largest supplier of weapons for sale in the world. I doubt they'll take away gun sales in thier own backyard. The Arms Trade is Big Business
There is a chart in here.
America’s gun industry is booming - Salon.com
Despite decrying gun violence, however, Obama hasn’t pushed for gun control. His administration is also advocating new regulationis that would make it eastier to export weapons abroad.
No worries, gun purchasers are safe in Obama's hands, he likes to sell them as well. Your purchases will be safe. No need to to use that fake old propaganda, it has nothing to do with honoring anything. But, it is nice to see that the propaganda is being swallowed so nicely, they are making so much money off of your fear they'll be set for years to come. Obama was great for gun sales. They used it to the full extent, as well as the shootings. They use those as well, money is money regardless of what tragedy it's made off of.
Now, the people, some of them don't want sales of guns to be legal but, no worries, they want healthcare options as well and they won't see either. Just chilax.
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