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Eediots. If you look carefully at how this has been structured, needing "Congressional approval" on all combat positions to be filled by women, a review of all military positions, job duties, functions, combat gradiants, really all this news is lip service and a distraction. Believe me. The government moves at the pace of a snail dragging a ton of concrete when it wants to...and believe me, this is one they will drag out forever...
Women are not gonna suit up, and start shooting tomorrow.
If that were the only way prisoners could serve our community/country equally, then sure. Why not? And if their only reason NOT to integrate was "the guys can't control their penises," I would have the same reply to them - learn how to control your urges, or segregate yourself individually.
But I do find your comparison of prisoners to soldiers a bit disturbing, especially seeing as they have completely different purposes in our society.
infantry units have to work together as a team, sexual tension will ruin that and be a complete game changer. Army's fight wars where people die, its not the place for your feel good equality experiments.
Men and women can't work as a team without wanting to screw each other? News to me! If men are really that weak (when it comes to their sexual urges), they probably aren't fit for service anyway. And why is it okay to punish the women for this lack of control? I didn't realize we needed to coddle men, particularly since I've never had a problem working in a coed workplace... if the men I've worked with wanted me sexually, at least they were mature enough to control that & focus on their jobs. Are soldiers unable to do the same?
Sorry if my comment seems ignorant, But how about carrying very heavy loads. Like a full grown man out of harms way. I know I couldn't.
I think women should have the right to serve under the same condition as men, but the conditions has to be the same. For safety reasons.
Haven't you seen "GI Jane?" I realize that's just a movie, but assume any woman in this situation would be subjected to physical/strength tests - and if they can pass, they deserve the right to serve equally. Period.
Besides, I know some women who'd put any big man to shame! Seriously, I used to have this one friend who could probably lift a truck, and was bigger than your typical football player. And seeing as she's also a very butch-looking lesbian, I doubt the male soldiers would be undressing her with their eyes.
(Point being, it's not exactly the "dainty little ladies" who will typically be looking to serve - especially not in active combat)
Haven't you seen "GI Jane?" I realize that's just a movie, but assume any woman in this situation would be subjected to physical/strength tests - and if they can pass, they deserve the right to serve equally. Period.
Besides, I know some women who'd put any big man to shame! Seriously, I used to have this one friend who could probably lift a truck, and was bigger than your typical football player. And seeing as she's also a very butch-looking lesbian, I doubt the male soldiers would be undressing her with their eyes.
(Point being, it's not exactly the "dainty little ladies" who will typically be looking to serve - especially not in active combat)
I totally agree with you. I was just thinking about that movie too.
One of my commands was on a training base, and my CO was a woman. She was a true professional, she was tough, ran every day, was in great shape, and could run the PFT and come across the finish line at around 21 min. Then we ran a PFT on a windy day. It added a half minute to everyone's time, except for the women, it kicked their asses. My CO came across the finish line over 25 minutes, a little wind added four minutes to her time. She was completely spent, and some of the other gals failed. We let them all run it again on another day.
A very few women join the military, and fewer still can match even an average man's performance. So why are we willing to turn everything on it's head, create new logistical, and billeting problems, just so some female officers can serve in a combat arms billet for advancement and promotion? That is mainly what this is about, some female officers feel slighted on advancement, because they don't have a combat arms tour under their belt.
Very good points about whether it's about female officers feeling slighted. Probably some, yes.
But I think it has more to do with the fact that our military has been demoralized, devalued, used up, made to encounter physical and mental struggles that no military person ought to have forced upon them, are strung out on drugs prescribed to them while on duty in an effort to prevent suicides (which does completely the opposite), are no longer able to bear the burden forced upon them with recurring deployments, are suffering from unspeakable physical injuries and mental problems, families falling apart when they return, suicides because of the things they've been through.
So now they have to use up the female military until they're decimated as well.
But it is a big deal to the men fighters. Doesn't that mean anything. When i was in the army i would not have wanted female soldiers with me, nor would almost anyone there. Doesn't what WE want mean anything?
No. What YOU want doesn't matter at all! Follow your orders or get court martialed. No soldier whines and complains about their orders... they DO IT. Now shut up and give me 20.
Technically nobody has, there may have been a few woman who have been hurt, captured....but not fully on the front line....so your point is moot....
However, what I have done, is trained women, and 95% of those women I trained had a hard time lifitnig the 50 tool box, much less the 114lbs 25k slings.....
So maybe YOU should re-think your comments...
A few??? 800 wounded women, 139 dead women - Iraq/Afghanistan - is a few??
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During a decade’s worth of conflict, more than 283,000 women were deployed to the two countries. Hundreds of them served in harm’s way, according to casualty figures.
More than 800 female service members have been wounded in either Afghanistan or Iraq, and at least 139 have died from combat- and non-combat-related incidents. Of these, 110 died as a result of serving in Iraq, however the last thirteen have all died in Afghanistan
The most recent female soldier to be killed in Afghanistan was 21-year-old Army Specialist Mikayla Bragg, who was shot to death while in a guard tower in eastern Afghanistan, near the Pakistani border on December 21
What military/combat action did you see? Was it anything compared to Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan? You were on a vacation.
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Women in the Israeli Defense Forces are female soldiers who serve in the Israel Defense Forces. Israel is the only country in the world with a mandatory military service requirement for women. Women have taken part in Israel’s military before and since the founding of the state in 1948, with women currently comprising 33% of all IDF soldiers and 51% of its officers, fulfilling various roles within the Ground, Navy and Air Forces. The 2000 Equality amendment to the Military Service law states that "The right of women to serve in any role in the IDF is equal to the right of men."As of now, 88% to 92% of all roles in the IDF are open to female candidates, while women can be found in 69% of all positions
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