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Old 02-01-2013, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Texas
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$10k per annum?
That would be nice...lol!!! I just had to pay $3k just for tires!!!!

Op, walkable = close to other people = get the $@$&$#%^^#} away from me.

I could actually walk to stores and restaurants now, but think about carrying a week or two worth of groceries! Think about 107 degree (or 20 degree) weather. We get both.

And som of us love the beauty and poetry that is a well- designed car.
There is room for all of us in this world.

 
Old 02-01-2013, 04:49 PM
 
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$10k per annum?

And som of us love the beauty and poetry that is a well- designed car.
There is room for all of us in this world.
But some people would prefer to tell us all how to live, including what hobbies to enjoy and what they know will be best for all of us, collectively.
 
Old 02-01-2013, 05:02 PM
 
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As it is, I can (and DO) frequently walk to and from work when the weather is nice. It is about two miles. The school where I work is on the outskirts of my small rural town (borough, actually), as is my house. The grocery store (a Wal-Mart) is on the OTHER side of town - three miles the other way, too far to cart groceries on foot. My car and DH's car are paid off, our house and land are paid off, I have practically no commuting costs, so our cars and quiet rural lifestyle are hardly keeping us broke. We're actually in better financial shape than when we lived in the city years ago, when we had a huge mortgage for a tiny row home. Our current home is now almost twice the size of our city home, was half the price, has increased in value (unlike our city home after the neighborhood went down the sewer), there's no crime here, and we have lots of space to grow fruit, berries and vegetables. Plus our own wood lot to feed our fireplace, which cuts our heating costs way down.
 
Old 02-01-2013, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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Here's the problem - the US is a big place. Very spread out. Not real bicycle or walker friendly like so many European cities/countries...
Thanks, Spikett.
I understand that most of America is addicted to cars - but not ALL of it.

What is interesting is that those Cities that have suffered LEAST in the property crash,
are the ones that are most walkable.

All these years that I have had living overseas, I wondered what would wake Americans up.
What is doing it, is that they are realising what damage the car-addiction is doing to their pocketbooks, and they are slowly but surely choosing to live in environments with fewer cars, where they are not needed.

The average American burns up 27 barrels of oil per annum. The average European, about 9 - that's a big difference. In Hong Kong, it might be only 2-3 barrels.

Where's the wealth being generated?

The big problem is not that "China is stealing US jobs", it is that those in America area having their wealth drained away by:

+ A car-addicted lifestyle
+ Spending on expensive foreign wars (to support Israel, and a car-addicted lifestyle)
+ An expensive medical system designed to generate profits for big pharma and insurance co's
+ A banking system that is too big, hooking people on mortgage debt and credit cards

See:
-Part1: http://www.financialsense.com/contri...in-its-pockets
-Part2: http://www.financialsense.com/contri...pockets-part-2

There is much that needs re-examination in the America way of life. But let's start with the cars since that is something in direct control of individuals.

Why not MOVE SOMEWHERE that you do not need a car, and work somewhere that does not require commuting by car.

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Old 02-01-2013, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Cars svck, and car owners have an expensive addiction.
(The headline was an intentionally provocative statement.)

It is time to demand better:
Walkable neighborhoods, and decent public transport

A smart new political agenda would be : CARS ARE LAST !

Get them out of your streets, and out of your lives.
Save $8,000 - 10,000 per annum by not owning a car,
and invest that money in a decent property in a Walkable neighborhood.
Design neighborhoods with denser living, where cars are not needed.
Start building capital, and rebuilding the country. It is about time !

DISCUSS !
I just bought an f-350 turbo diesel dually ARR ARR ARR

12mpg and it's a fully loaded brute... It's AWESOME!
 
Old 02-01-2013, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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Originally Posted by Mrs. Skeffington View Post
As it is, I can (and DO) frequently walk to and from work when the weather is nice. It is about two miles. The school where I work is on the outskirts of my small rural town (borough, actually), as is my house. The grocery store (a Wal-Mart) is on the OTHER side of town - three miles the other way, too far to cart groceries on foot. My car and DH's car are paid off, our house and land are paid off, I have practically no commuting costs...
Sounds great, Mrs Skeff.

I do not think that everyone should live in a Big City.
Small towns are great, and so also can be rural live.

The trick is not to be overly dependent on an expensive vehicle. It sounds like you have the addiction under control - and it is not a problem for you.
 
Old 02-01-2013, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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I just bought an f-350 turbo diesel dually ARR ARR ARR
12mpg and it's a fully loaded brute... It's AWESOME!
Wonderful.
Why don't you also brag about the size of your "tool"?
That would fit right in with your sort of thinking.
I should think you will outgrow this someday, if you are lucky.
 
Old 02-01-2013, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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$10k per annum?
And some of us love the beauty and poetry that is a well- designed car.
There is room for all of us in this world.
It seems all that endless car advertising has paid off in your case.
Personally, I am just happy to be free of all that garbage
 
Old 02-01-2013, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Hernando County, FL
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Originally Posted by Geologic View Post
Cars svck, and car owners have an expensive addiction.
(The headline was an intentionally provocative statement.)

It is time to demand better:
Walkable neighborhoods, and decent public transport

A smart new political agenda would be : CARS ARE LAST !

Get them out of your streets, and out of your lives.
Save $8,000 - 10,000 per annum by not owning a car,
and invest that money in a decent property in a Walkable neighborhood.
Design neighborhoods with denser living, where cars are not needed.
Start building capital, and rebuilding the country. It is about time !

DISCUSS !
How much would my 5 bedroom home on 3.6 acres cost in a walkable neighborhood?
How many vegetable gardens in that walkable neighborhood?
How many acres have been paved over in that walkable neighborhood?
Is there fresh water from a pump available untreated by any chemicals in that walkable neighborhood?
How much wildlife will I see in that walkable neighborhood?
Please tell me how I can save $8,000 - 10,000 per annum by living in that walkable neighborhood?
I look forward to your answer
 
Old 02-01-2013, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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Originally Posted by tamajane View Post
No guns, no cars, no houses, no land. We're just supposed to be pod people riding bicycles, on the bus, on the train to our pod jobs and pod apartments all decorated with pod furniture.
er, ah...
What happened to WALKING on you list?
I think those that can walk to work, and around their communities,
are truly the MOST FREE.

Please tell me a good small town that I can live in-
Preferably one with a good Rail connection to a great Big City
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