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So a Portland newspaper did a bit of an investigation and over a period of time called this bakery (and another Oregon Bakery that also refuses to bake wedding cakes for gay people) and requested cakes that celebrate other occasions that violate (some) Christian's values.
It seems that while these "Christian" bakeries will not bake wedding cakes for gay people, they will bake cakes for divorce celebrations, out of wedlock baby showers, Pagan solstice festivals, and a party to celebrate receiving a grant to clone human fetal stem cells.
I was wondering why the scab was picked off this old post. But, true, it is amazing how religious people become, miraculously, whenever the issue of homosexuality is discussed. The truth is, divorce is not accepted in the bible, under any circumstances, but, since it's an issue which affects heterosexual people, it's OK. Babies not born within wedlock are not permitted in the kingdom of heaven when they die, under any circumstances as well, and their parents have committed a grave and mortal sin. Some people just love to rationalize and justify, when it comes to their hate. They did it for years based on race, as well.
Truthfully though, why would any gay couple give their money to a business that is blatantly homophobic? There are plenty of pro gay bakeries, florists, churches, wedding reception halls, that embrace gay ceremonies.
[quote=TriMT7;29852965]You got em! Roving bands of lesbians are hitting up bakeries across the country to entrap poor Christian folks, including Mr. "Sweet Cakes" who just wants to make his cupcakes and decorate cakes all day without having to think of a bunch of homos.
Sick AND tired, huh? Sounds like you need a rest pumkin!
Sexual orientation is not "something you do." Where did you people go to school and who do we need to talk to about this epidemic of stupidity and ignorance on any and all topics of sexuality that is so endemic among people of a certain political persuasion?
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It is indeed a behavior! It is something you can choose to act upon or not choose! As a married man, I still like women....beautiful women! Women I would like to have sex with!! But guess what!!?? I don't act upon that attraction because it's WRONG!! Sin creeps at everybody's door.....whispering to them to do what you feel. But we are not a slave to our base intsincts !
What if my religion says black people are bad, and Christians are unclean devils. Should I be able to refuse service to blacks and Christians --- or --- shudder at the thought --- black Christians?!?
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There we go again, trying to hick your wagon to black people! Is there a certain action that you engage in that makes you black?? Is that what you're saying?? Because there is definitely a sexual act that CONFIRMS you being a homosexual!! Do we have to like chicken or something?Being black is genetic! You know any EX-blacks?? But I know a lot of Ex-homosexuals! They chose to change their lifestyles!!
I hope they do, and I hope the result is the same should the Muslim baker refuse to serve people as required under the law.
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But they WON'T!! They are scared to death of the backlash!! So they pick
on the Christian who they know will not retaliate!! Cowards!!
Because it's your choice to refuse eating at a Chinese restaurant. It's not a Jewish person's choice to be forbidden from eating at a restaurant. What if all hotels and restaurants banned Jews?
So it's okay for some people to make their own choices but not for others.
You can whine all you want, but the Civil Rights Act was upheld by the Supreme Court and is currently the law of the land, whether you agree with their decision or not.
Since it's legally binding, businesses of public accommodation may not discriminate under certain criteria.
I'm not whining.
I'm just wondering why some people are not allowed to exercise private property rights and others are. And why are people okay with this.
What if the Supreme Court said anyone can come on your property whether you agree to it or not? Guess you'd be okay with that.
I'm just wondering why some people are not allowed to exercise private property rights and others are. And why are people okay with this.
What if the Supreme Court said anyone can come on your property whether you agree to it or not? Guess you'd be okay with that.
Do you not know the difference between a business, and a private residence?
The baker could have chosen to not run a business, he could have opened a private membership bakery, then he could have denied anyone he wanted entrance, but he chose to open a business that is open to the PUBLIC. This is known as a public accommodation. Not a private club, or private residence.
I'm just wondering why people support a law that violates people's rights?
The gay man that wanted to buy a cake had no rights violated. The baker did. And people seem to think this is just fine???
And when it talks about private property rights in the Constitution is does not say "unless you own a bakery."
The baker had the right to open a private membership bakery, or not go into business. He CHOSE to open a public accommodation business as defined by state law.
The baker had the right to open a private membership bakery, or not go into business. He CHOSE to open a public accommodation business as defined by state law.
It's still his business, not the publics. It's still private property, no matter how the state tries to redefine it.
Where exactly does it say in the Constitution that the state can determine who a person can allow and not allow on private property?
Fact is, the person refused service was not injured in this case. The baker owns the bakery. What gives the would-be customer the right to force the baker to do something he does not want to do?
Isn't the customer discriminating against everyone else that sells cake by showing up at this bakery? Why is the customer allowed to refuse his business to other bakeries but the baker is not afforded the same opportunity?
Do you not know the difference between a business, and a private residence?
The baker could have chosen to not run a business, he could have opened a private membership bakery, then he could have denied anyone he wanted entrance, but he chose to open a business that is open to the PUBLIC. This is known as a public accommodation. Not a private club, or private residence.
Why are "public accomodation" businesses allowed to refuse service to someone with a hand gun on them? Or someone not wearing shoes? Or someone under the age of 21?
Seems like if they are legally abe to discriminate against those potential customers then they should be able to discriminate against anyone else. What makes a gay person so special?
And without these discrminatory anti-discrimination laws we would know what businesses we don't want to frequent.
For example, I would not visit this baker because I don't think he should refuse service to gay people. Thanks to anti-discrimination laws I have no idea he discriminates against gays. So I spend my money somewhere I don't want to. Seems logical to me. Denying my ability to gather information about a business I frequent. hell, he might even give his profit to anti-gay organizations. But I would have no way of knowing he is anti-gay thanks to anti-discrimination laws.
Last edited by OhioRules; 06-03-2013 at 02:06 PM..
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