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Old 06-03-2013, 07:51 AM
 
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This is a good example of why many Muslims believe the West is "wrong" and Islam is "right". In Islam, religion is not something to be left outside of business in a separate compartment of one's life.

And we all see how great Islamic societies and their business/innovation is doing right now in comparison to the rest of the world, huh?

 
Old 06-03-2013, 07:55 AM
 
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If by "inhospitable" you mean homosexual rape of strangers, yes they were.

Homosexual rape is bad to your God, but Lot deserved to be saved even though he tried to pimp out his daughters to the marauding sodomite angel-rapers for a gang bang?


Is incest also an abomination before your God, cause he made sweet dad-daughter love to his daughters shortly after being saved from the fire and brimstone....



Seems to me if sexual immorality were the take away from the Sodom and Gomorrah story, Lot would have been burning up with the rest of them.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 07:57 AM
 
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If by "inhospitable" you mean homosexual rape of strangers, yes they were.
'Homosexual' rape of strangers committed by heterosexual men. We know for a fact that most male rape is committed by heterosexual men. Rape has been used to dominate and humiliate other men for thousands of years. It's not about sexual attraction, it's about power and control.

Try reading a similar story of the Levite stranger in Judges 19- where he was threatened with rape by the townsmen, but they ended up gang-raping his female concubine all night.

Judges 19 NIV - A Levite and His Concubine - In those - Bible Gateway


It appears that your hatred towards gay people is based in your ignorance of the Bible.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 07:58 AM
 
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What is the meaning of the Hebrew, then?
Ritually impure/Taboo. It was a cultural prohibition on certain practices of the surrounding pagan cultures. The same word is used for wearing mixed fabrics, eating shellfish, breaking bread with the Egyptians, etc.

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It does say you shall not lie with a man as a man does so with a woman.
Not in Hebrew it doesn't. And you are ignoring the cultural context. That verse is directly connected to the previous verse condemning giving over children to the Canaanite god Molech in the pagan temples. Why do you ignore that context? Most Jews agree that verse is condemning pagan prostitution and heterosexual substitution.

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It talks about people giving over to lustful desires and trading the normal for the unnormal, paraphrased.
No, it says no such thing. You're trying to apply Romans to Leviticus.



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Let's also stop with the nonsense that not approving or condoning of homosexuality is hatred, since God is anti-hatred, in the way you're arguing. Thus, someone following the Bible by not condoning homosexuality, which God is against, can't be hating.
Your views are hateful because they are based on lies and ignorance.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 08:10 AM
 
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Amen. In reality, it's not about religious freedom for the liberals. It is about THEIR religion running the show.

Just as the Scriptures say, we are in a Spiritual battle. What we see on the outside is manifestation of what is on the inside.

They don't want a "Christian" nation, and to them it is an all out war. No religious tolerance.

While they want their gay marriage, they want to ENFORCE upon a man with His OWN spiritual convictions that He MUST by law serve them as customers.

Make no mistake theses people do not want peace unless they have FORCED you to see things under THEIR religious view.
Actually we're just exposing the hypocrisy, ignorance and cowardice of people who misuse the Bible (which none of them seem to have studied) and hide behind their 'religious beliefs' (which they don't appear to know very well) as an excuse to vilify and discriminate against gay and lesbian people.

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Old 06-03-2013, 08:16 AM
 
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Homosexual rape is bad to your God, but Lot deserved to be saved even though he tried to pimp out his daughters to the marauding sodomite angel-rapers for a gang bang?


Is incest also an abomination before your God, cause he made sweet dad-daughter love to his daughters shortly after being saved from the fire and brimstone....



Seems to me if sexual immorality were the take away from the Sodom and Gomorrah, Lot would have been burning up with the rest of them.

It's truly bizarre how these people just gloss over the part in the story where Lots offers up his young virgin daughters to be gang-raped. What a hero! Yet supposedly YAHWEH calls him a 'righteous man' and saves him.

I doubt anyone who bangs on about the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and refers to it to bash gay people has even read it. They certainly never seem to know about the similar story in Judges 19.

Yet these people want to be 'respected' for their 'religious beliefs' when they (mis)use them to discriminate against others? Pffft!
 
Old 06-03-2013, 08:24 AM
 
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Actually we're just exposing the hypocrisy, ignorance and cowardice of people who misuse the Bible (which none of them seem to have studied) and hide behind their 'religious beliefs' (which they don't appear to know very well) as an excuse to discriminate against gay and lesbian.
SODOMY is clearly defined as an abomination that is going to come into judgment if not repented of and forsaken covered by the atoning blood of Jesus Christ. Romans 1 clearly identifies a man with a man or a woman with a woman as UNNATURAL and defined as "dishonoring their own bodies".

It is a SIN not a "racial" issue. It is genetic - we are ALL fallen creatures from Adam's lineage. It is Choice - we can either choose to submit and obey or oppose and rebel.

No one builds a house with a bucket of screws. They use a screw and a bolt. Man and woman were MADE for each other. NATURE teaches this as well.

You do NOT see a male cow with a male cow or a female pig with a female pig. Animals are not sinners, MAN is.

If we do not see this in nature among the animals the evolutionists would have us believe we are descended from, why do we see a man with a man in the human race?

Because it is a SIN.

NOT a RACE.

It is not an issue of discrimination as it is a choice. A grotesque and shameful choice at that.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 08:29 AM
 
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Let's also stop with the nonsense that not approving or condoning of homosexuality is hatred, since God is anti-hatred, in the way you're arguing. Thus, someone following the Bible by not condoning homosexuality, which God is against, can't be hating.
Apparently you haven't read Proverbs either:

Proverbs 6:16
There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are an abomination to him:
haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

That ^ is a good description the type of people who hide behind their ignorance of the Bible to vilify gay people and discriminate against them.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 08:39 AM
 
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I will refuse to do anything in my workplace that is disobedience to God.
I doubt you are in much danger of serving male and female temple prostitutes who worship ancient Canaanite fertility gods.

But I bet you deal with divorced people every day without blinking.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 08:43 AM
 
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SODOMY is clearly defined as an abomination that is going to come into judgment if not repented of and forsaken covered by the atoning blood of Jesus Christ. Romans 1 clearly identifies a man with a man or a woman with a woman as UNNATURAL and defined as "dishonoring their own bodies".

It is a SIN not a "racial" issue. It is genetic - we are ALL fallen creatures from Adam's lineage. It is Choice - we can either choose to submit and obey or oppose and rebel.

No one builds a house with a bucket of screws. They use a screw and a bolt. Man and woman were MADE for each other. NATURE teaches this as well.

You do NOT see a male cow with a male cow or a female pig with a female pig. Animals are not sinners, MAN is.

If we do not see this in nature among the animals the evolutionists would have us believe we are descended from, why do we see a man with a man in the human race?

Because it is a SIN.

NOT a RACE.

It is not an issue of discrimination as it is a choice. A grotesque and shameful choice at that.


#1: There is no such thing as sin. "Sin is an imaginary disease, invented to sell you an imaginary cure."


#2: Human sexuality is far more complicated than animal sexuality. Even you should be able to understand that much. As far as animals engaging in homosexual coupling, the evidence is ample that it exists in the animal kingdom.

Exhibit A for your perusal:

BBC Nature - Female bonobos 'advertise' homosexual bonds



#3: Among humans, homosexuality exists across time and cultures. Homosexual unions and people were celebrated on this continent long before your religion was imposed on the people that lived here.

#4: SODOMY's traditional and legal definition included oral sex. I wonder how many dudes in your church beg their wives for oral - at least on their birthdays.... also, a very large percent of heterosexuals have or do engage in anal sex, which is the more modern definition of the word.
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