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It isn't not the "left" that paints so-called conservatives as being racist, homophobic and generally bigoted it is the Republican Party that demonstrates those attributes at virtually every turn.
LMAO What a crock. The ones who falsely play the race card because their chosen one is a complete failure so they have to deflect. Can't talk about Obomneys plethora of failures so lets make it about race. Hypocritically from the ones who said "wouldn't it be good to have a black president" or "a woman".
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The media didn't make up these Republican characterizations
yes they did. They made it about race and you got suckered in.
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so the let's blame the liberal media canard simply has no validity. If you don't make racist, homophobic, sexist, and derogatory statements about working people there would be nothing for the so-called liberal media to say.
LMAO so it's okay for dems to say racist things? Like "I'm voting for Obama because he's black". Bunch of filthy racists. The dems even got their religious leaders involved.
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When it comes to the today's Republican Party, Walt Kelly (with a few literary changes) said it best,
You have met the enemy and it is you!
Take a tip from the few best and brightest in the Republican Party, its time to take a deep breath and take out time to engage in some serious criticism-self-criticism.
Why listen to you? You're the enemy and you haven't backed many successful policies. Two big reasons, especially the last one.
This canard that everyone is on the take is bogus. Who benefitted most from the bail outs in 2008? Which states take more receipts than they return to the treasury. Yep, good old red states. So, the stench of hypocrisy is a bit sickening. Enough with all the insults against your fellow citizens. The government is not the bogeyman, and folks who disagree with you are not parasites. Sure, some dems are scoundrels, but that applies to plenty of conservatives too. I'd guess most of us on both sides just want competent leaders who don't talk out their azzes all the time.
We're not talking about states, we're talking about voters so let's not try that BS ok? Even the most blue or red state has hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of voters from the other side of the isle. Many of the people I disagree with are indeed parasites, I'm sure many who I agree with partially are also parasites.
All I want are competent leaders who actually speak the truth and says what needs to be said instead of what people want to hear.
I highly doubt someone who doesnt listen to talk radio or FOX news would convey the "lazy liberal" line
also Yes, Dems did get more votes, many of those votes came from Moderates who did see it as Obama's plans for this nation being better.
I couldn't care less what you highly doubt, I'm telling you that the idea that conservatives all follow right wing radio is ignorant and false.
Dems may have gotten moderate voters but they also got tons of votes from left wing, gubment loving leeches who couldn't care less about plans for this nation as long as that mailbox money keeps showing up.
The Republican party of Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford and George Bush doubled down on using white resentment to maintain its power not realizing that the group that they thought they could manipulate would rise up and conduct a palace coup. They created the monster and like Dr. Frankenstein the monster eventually destroyed its creator.
They are at a point where the talking points they have used since the 1970s no longer work. Once more they really don't understand why they are losing and thus have trouble addressing their electability problems.
They are at a point where the talking points they have used since the 1970s no longer work. Once more they really don't understand why they are losing and thus have trouble addressing their electability problems.
Which talking points?
Don't spend more than you make
Don't waste money on things you don't need
Save money for hard times
Don't F with people and they'll generally leave you alone
If someone Fs with you make sure they never do it again
No of course not, you're talking about talking points made up by left wing morons who want nothing more than to paint conservatives in a bad light because they can't possibly attack their common sense positions.
Don't F with people and they'll generally leave you alone
If someone Fs with you make sure they never do it again
No of course not, you're talking about talking points made up by left wing morons who want nothing more than to paint conservatives in a bad light because they can't possibly attack their common sense positions.
This is the perfect example. No introspection what so ever. Quite frankly it is your job to figure out why the folks you like so much are losing, and remember, if at first you don't succeed there is always another election cycle.
I was going to make a similar thread.
Conservatism seems to have been taken over by:
-Extremely stupid people.
-People who don't know female anatomy,
-Willing to nominate a witch.
-Seem to only care about "family values" when it convenient. And apparently do not believe those values they promote apply to themselves.
-People who seem not to know/or not care that google exist, and that anything that they say, can and will be fact checked by anyone who is smart enough not to blindly believe everything that comes out of their mouth.
- The libertarian/conspiracy theorist.
- And a crap load of hypocrites.
I'm not going to go as far as Race and Location being a problem. I see some improvement. People have the same Ideals but are "scared off" by some of the more vocal and "crazy."
I think it's more of a AGE/INTELLECT problem. As time goes on things cycle. Old Values with new Values, yet sadly though the majority is getting older, they seem less willing to change, and if they are changing they are going the wrong way.
I look at some who participated in the presidential primaries, it's really was a shame.
I look back at Romney, even though I voted for the guy and hoped he could turn everything around I wonder why was the guy even nominated, it is was sad he was the best choice.
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What is modern American conservatism trying to conserve? That's the core of the problem. Traditionally, conservatism was suspicious of "schemes" such as "free markets" or investing corporations with too much power, partly because doing so had the risk of harming local communities. The thing being conserved was a set of local relationships and businesses and community groups. Something like a slavish adherence to the diktats of big money was not conservative; it was activist.
I don't see much of that anymore in modern conservatism, and certainly not modern Republicanism. I don't see an emphasis on traditionally-conservative notions such as financial localism, suspicion of "trusts" and corporate collusion, and a wary eye toward big corporate institutions such as the mega-banks.
And perhaps worst of all, I still see a strong appetite for foreign policy interventionism - going abroad in search of monsters to destroy, in Iran or anywhere else. That was one of the main lines of attack leveled at Chuck Hagel during the recent hearings by Republicans - he wasn't enough of a warmonger.
If that's what modern conservatism has come to stand for, why would, for example, younger people be enthused about that? What's in it for them?
That's not to say that others don't also engage in some of the same sins, or have much in the way of answers, but pointing and shouting "But what about X!" when confronted with Y is more of a dodge than an actual argument.
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