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Old 02-11-2013, 09:05 PM
 
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Real question is if the UN actually does something about it this time.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Back and Forth FRANCE
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Real question is if the UN actually does something about it this time.
I don't see what they can do that is different from what they already tried.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:19 PM
 
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Crazy people.......
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Nuclear tests have a distinctive seismic patern and there are features that can allow one to determine where the test happened (location and local geology) and whether certain steps were taken to decouple the test so yield can be masked. If this is indeed a test the yield suggests an appreciable yield not the little kiloton level yield of earlier tests. Also the North Koreans have been working on a U235 bomb which are smaller and more suitable for putting on a rocket. Also a partnership with another espring nuclear power is not out of the question for example Israel and South Africa may have traded uranium for a working bomb which may have been tested secretly in the South Atlantic in 1978. Israel got a test without having to admit it and South Africa got at least 3 nuclear weapons. Now who would North Korea team up with. Guess who they sell missile parts to?
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:56 PM
 
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Also a partnership with another espring nuclear power is not out of the question for example Israel and South Africa may have traded uranium for a working bomb which may have been tested secretly in the South Atlantic in 1978. Israel got a test without having to admit it and South Africa got at least 3 nuclear weapons. Now who would North Korea team up with. Guess who they sell missile parts to?
Which country in South Africa?
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Which country in South Africa?
South Africa is the country.

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Old 02-11-2013, 10:09 PM
 
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South Africa is the country.

It's okay not everyone in politics know geography.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Which country in South Africa?
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South Africa is the country.

Oh...man...!!

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Old 02-11-2013, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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It's okay not everyone in politics know geography.
They go hand-in-hand.

[but we're human and we make mistakes...]
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:01 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Nuclear tests have a distinctive seismic patern and there are features that can allow one to determine where the test happened (location and local geology) and whether certain steps were taken to decouple the test so yield can be masked.
You were doing fantastic right up that point.

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If this is indeed a test the yield suggests an appreciable yield not the little kiloton level yield of earlier tests.
Uh, for Plutonium you're limited to spherical implosion...initially.

The only way to know to if your spherical implosion design works is to test-detonate.

The first test would always be 4.5-4.9 kilograms of PuWG -- which the North Koreans have thanks to Blow Job Bill who wasn't satisfied giving them just one nuclear power plant...he gave them two.

4.5 kg will yield 1 kiloton. If they really had their act together -- I mean a really tight design, with good high quality laminated PBX cells and a state of the art controllers, and they knew how to use beryllium, they might get close to 2 kilotons.

If I remember, the reactor operating times at max burn-rate would give ~50 kg to 60 kg of PuWG....assuming they did it right, and assuming it isn't contaminated with Pu-241 and Pu-242, or assuming they were able to separate that and knock the Pu-241 down to below 0.1%.

If I would be North Korea, I would build back-packs.....ever see a coffee can or paint can? That's what a back-pack looks like....9" in diameter and a shade over 13" in height (cylinder height) and weighing a little over 50 pounds.

You need 4.5 kg of PuWG and that would give you 8 back-packs using 36 kg of PuWG.

The other 14 to 24 kg of PuWG I would use for something in the 10 kt to 20 kt range. Maybe even smaller, since my only concern would be wiping out a US carrier battle group.

You can get 2 to 3 warheads 20 kt out of that.

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Also the North Koreans have been working on a U235 bomb which are smaller and more suitable for putting on a rocket.
First nuke detonated in 1945 ---- it's been what, 67 years, and no country on Earth has ever put a uranium-based warhead on a missile.

The US had an 8"/203 mm artillery round using uranium. Had a yield of 0.1 kilotons.

Max yield for uranium is 60 kilotons...but no has ever built one. The French used to have a uranium-based 40 kiloton warhead back in the 1950s to mid-1960s. Only a plane could deliver it. Couldn't use a missile. I think the Entendard carried it, and another aircraft, but I can't remember.

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Now who would North Korea team up with.
Not Iran. Iran doesn't have plutonium.

Atomically...

Mircea
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