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Old 03-10-2013, 06:45 PM
 
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I found a research paper which suggests that relative income matters in marriage, specifically that low-income men marry at increasingly lower rates the further their incomes fall below an 'ideal' standard set by the median earnings of their local (metro area) peers of the same education level and racial/ethnic group. (For example, Hispanic college graduates have a different reference standard than white high school dropouts.)

If the research is valid, social conservatives might find a minimum wage increase not a bad thing.

A man’s “marriageability” appears to be related not only to his absolute level of income, but to income relative to a middle class ideal determined bya local reference group. The model predicts that raising reference group incomes by ten percent reduces marriage by about two percent.

http://web.williams.edu/Economics/wp...TheJoneses.pdf
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Old 03-10-2013, 06:49 PM
 
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Most people who are whining could get a Pell grant or at least a student loan and do a one year program to learn something in the healthcare field, such as nursing (LPN program is one year), cardiac tech, med assistant, phlebotomy, radiography, etc. Some of these programs aren't even a full year while some could be more, depending on the program. With our aging population, these skills are definitely in demand and all make a good bit more than min wage. An RN usually starts at about $20/hr and is only a two year program that costs maybe $10-$15k at a community college or tech school.

Not an option for me.
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Old 03-10-2013, 06:59 PM
 
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It depends on on what type of skill you wish to get...

Not really, since money is required and I don't have any.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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In the Commonwealth of Virginia, a salary means a 40 hour work week, if you work greater than 40 hours, then you have to be paid OVERTIME for that.

BTW, we are a right to work state, so Unions had nothing to do with that.
I guess it varies by state then. I've lived in FL (right to work) and WI (union state) and salary means open-ended hours with a minimum of 40. That's for private sector at least, it may be different for public sector employees. I actually think my dad, who works for the state of FL, starts banking personal time after 40 or something like that.

The union remark was pure sarcasm, in case you didn't catch the eyeroll.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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I found a research paper which suggests that relative income matters in marriage, specifically that low-income men marry at increasingly lower rates the further their incomes fall below an 'ideal' standard set by the median earnings of their local (metro area) peers of the same education level and racial/ethnic group. (For example, Hispanic college graduates have a different reference standard than white high school dropouts.)

If the research is valid, social conservatives might find a minimum wage increase not a bad thing.

A man’s “marriageability†appears to be related not only to his absolute level of income, but to income relative to a middle class ideal determined bya local reference group. The model predicts that raising reference group incomes by ten percent reduces marriage by about two percent.

http://web.williams.edu/Economics/wp...TheJoneses.pdf
So you think raising the min wage will be the answer to all of our societal woes? People who are low income also forgo marriage so they can keep their bennies, so that's their own fault. AND, a poor male might very well be able to attract a poor female, and the cost of getting married is very low, so what is stopping them from dating and getting married like the rest of us?
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:49 AM
 
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So you think raising the min wage will be the answer to all of our societal woes? People who are low income also forgo marriage so they can keep their bennies, so that's their own fault. AND, a poor male might very well be able to attract a poor female, and the cost of getting married is very low, so what is stopping them from dating and getting married like the rest of us?

Certainly not but it should help some at the margin.

Don't see a conservative solution for low-income men -they're not supposed to have sex until they marry, but women don't want to marry low-income men, so I guess the men are supposed to stay single and celibate, and not look at porn either.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:01 AM
 
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Certainly not but it should help some at the margin.

Don't see a conservative solution for low-income men -they're not supposed to have sex until they marry, but women don't want to marry low-income men, so I guess the men are supposed to stay single and celibate, and not look at porn either.
Why would it help at all? The most likely scenario is that low skilled workers will face a higher unemployment rate. Min wage jobs are for low skilled workers. The vast majority of people won't be willing to stay in a fast food job making min wage. You did, but you chose not to become a manager and chose to stick with min wage. Evidently you were happy enough with it to not do anything to improve your situation.

We all make choices in life.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:45 AM
 
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No, it does not.

As long as you all don't mind minimum wage workers continuing to receive greater welfare benefits as the years pass, then yes, let's continue to keep the minimum wage low. Do you really think companies like Walmart can't afford to pay their employees another couple dollars an hour?
I saw graph. It had wages going up in lock step with productivity gains until about 1980. Then it had wages held constant for inflation from then forwards. The former is more economically sustainable than the latter. Why should we do more each year for the same mount of money? If you want us to do more then we should get more as well. Splitting the difference would probably be closer to what is better for everyone than the gain going all to one or the other party.

And how many remember Ford's $5 a day wage? That doubled the going rate for labor then.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:53 AM
 
Location: around racist white people
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So you think raising the min wage will be the answer to all of our societal woes? People who are low income also forgo marriage so they can keep their bennies, so that's their own fault. AND, a poor male might very well be able to attract a poor female, and the cost of getting married is very low, so what is stopping them from dating and getting married like the rest of us?
Money and yes free is right, not all but most don't want low income men. Raising minimum wage would help a bit but a minimum wage grown man isn't getting married.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:02 PM
 
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We own a restaurant. Most of our employees make less than $9/hr (but they do make more than min wage, although that is what they are hired at). You also have to account for the increase in payroll taxes when you give someone a raise. So if our employees each have to get a significant pay bump, the cost of our products will go up to be able to afford it. That will bring in LESS business, not more. Raising the min wage does nothing but artificially inflate prices across the board.
Most people don't own restaurants. You have to look out for your own interests, of course, but don't expect everyone else to. We have our own interests to be concerned about, and that's why the minimum wage is increased whenever it's on a state ballot.

The restaurant industry already expects their customers to subsidize their employees wages. It's a scam, in my opinion. You'd pay your employees nothing if you could get away with it.
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