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Hobbes maintained that men readily trade their liberty for security. See Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan (1651). And, considering the Patriot Act of 2001 and the Military Commissions Act of 2006, one can see that Hobbes was right.
It's weird how a small group of people see Obama as a tyrant out to destroy the USA and then everyone else sees a guy with a young family who entered office with many challenges and is doing his best to try and fix those problems.
Well considering that not even half the people in this country voted in the last presidential election and almost half of those who did vote voted against Obama I'd say you have absolutely no friggin clue how the majority of the people feel about him. In typical arrogant, liberal fashion you're making the assumption that most people believe what you believe.
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LOL! I love all this conspiracy mumbo jumbo.:eek :
In the world of reality, I have to think for about 3 seconds to recall the manifestly corrupt and incompetent president the GOP put in office in 2000. Who launched two wars funded with two tax cuts. I think I'll stick with Obama. And given the fact that the GOP won't even let him run the government without preening and ranting, I really doubt he'll be staging a socialist takeover.
Obama is, by international standards, a center right politician.
Not hardly. Obama's enacted policies may qualify as center right by international standards. That does not make him a center right politician.
He is bound by laws that restrict his ability to implement what he wants, he is restricted from implementing what he wants by being answerable to a mostly moderate population, and he is faced with an opposition party. Under those circumstances, you cannot judge who he is by what he has accomplished in office.
Leftist politicians in more left leaning nations are going to be able to implement a more leftwing agenda than Obama is able to do here, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't do so if he could.
When you examine his rhetoric and his history, it is apparent that he is fully left wing.
He wanted a single payer healthcare system even though he didn't get it, he engages regularly in leftist class warfare rhetoric, his solution to economic problems was Keynesian, he stated that he purposely surrounded himself with the most radical people he could find in college, he worked as a community organizer, he joined a church purely for political reasons and not as a religious man, he praised critical theory, he publicly threatened to bypass Congress if they didn't act in the speed and manner he wanted, he appointed self identified socialists as czars, his self admitted mentor growing up was a card carrying communist, he supported public sector unions, even rampant unemployment wasn't enough for him to approve the keystone pipeline, he is indifferent at best and hostile at worst towards Israel, he immediately sided against the police without any facts during the Gates situation, he stated that spreading the wealth around was a good thing, etc etc etc.
Now, no one or two of those things may qualify him as a dyed in the wool leftist. But taken all together it is a clear pattern. And that pattern is not "center right" by any standards except possibly North Korea's. I'm not saying he's an outright socialist like some conservatives do. But he definitely left of center.
Well considering that not even half the people in this country voted in the last presidential election and almost half of those who did vote voted against Obama I'd say you have absolutely friggin clue how the majority of the people feel about him. In typical arrogant, liberal fashion you're making the assumption that most people believe what you believe.
LOL! I love all this conspiracy mumbo jumbo.:eek :
In the world of reality, I have to think for about 3 seconds to recall the manifestly corrupt and incompetent president the GOP put in office in 2000. Who launched two wars funded with two tax cuts. I think I'll stick with Obama. And given the fact that the GOP won't even let him run the government without preening and ranting, I really doubt he'll be staging a socialist takeover.
You mean the two wars the Democrats voted for and Obama continued? Those two wars?
Can anyone tell me a major piece of legislation that has been passed that has changed this country for the worse? What has Barack Obama done to strip your rights as American citizens? Can you name anything? Or is this all about his "agenda" and what everyone fears he is planning to do?
Well considering that not even half the people in this country voted in the last presidential election and almost half of those who did vote voted against Obama I'd say you have absolutely no friggin clue how the majority of the people feel about him. In typical arrogant, liberal fashion you're making the assumption that most people believe what you believe.
What's so difficult to understand? The majority voted Obama back into office. He won the election by over 5 million votes.
Not hardly. Obama's enacted policies may qualify as center right by international standards. That does not make him a center right politician.
He is bound by laws that restrict his ability to implement what he wants, he is restricted from implementing what he wants by being answerable to a mostly moderate population, and he is faced with an opposition party. Under those circumstances, you cannot judge who he is by what he has accomplished in office.
Leftist politicians in more left leaning nations are going to be able to implement a more leftwing agenda than Obama is able to do here, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't do so if he could.
When you examine his rhetoric and his history, it is apparent that he is fully left wing.
He wanted a single payer healthcare system even though he didn't get it, he engages regularly in leftist class warfare rhetoric, his solution to economic problems was Keynesian, he stated that he purposely surrounded himself with the most radical people he could find in college, he worked as a community organizer, he joined a church purely for political reasons and not as a religious man, he praised critical theory, he publicly threatened to bypass Congress if they didn't act in the speed and manner he wanted, he appointed self identified socialists as czars, his self admitted mentor growing up was a card carrying communist, he supported public sector unions, even rampant unemployment wasn't enough for him to approve the keystone pipeline, he is indifferent at best and hostile at worst towards Israel, he immediately sided against the police without any facts during the Gates situation, he stated that spreading the wealth around was a good thing, etc etc etc.
Now, no one or two of those things may qualify him as a dyed in the wool leftist. But taken all together it is a clear pattern. And that pattern is not "center right" by any standards except possibly North Korea's. I'm not saying he's an outright socialist like some conservatives do. But he definitely left of center.
Honestly, with a conspiracy theory, you need some evidence that the person has the ability and intent to do something truly evil. Obama has neither. You read the tea leaves and say "Witch!!!", but it is at odds with the facts. Even if he was left-leaning, which I don't really think he is (compare him to Ralph Nader), how is that different from the whole pack of frothing at the mouth right wing birthers who infest the GOP? Obama is a practical man, which argues strongly for a moderate political stance. This notion that he would be an evil person if allowed to is just silly. It is just grist for the fear-based, delusional wing of the GOP, but is not really an intelligent conversation. Obama is going to do NOTHING to pull our country to the left. At best, he might help us work back to the center.
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