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Reminds me of 1984, War is Peace. Either these people know nothing about these two men or are in complete denial.
What's the difference between Gandhi and John Gotti?
Where they lived.
Gotti would wave a friendly wave and smile a becoming smile, and all the while his henchmen were engaging in black-mail, extortion, fraud, money-laundering, drug smuggling, drug distribution, illegal gambling, graft, bribery, corruption, and many other other illegal and illicit acts......including the murder of others.
Gandhi was no different. Gandhi sat around all Buddha-like while his henchmen robbed banks, committed black-mail, extortion, fraud, money-laundering and assassinated public officials -- something you would call Terrorism™.
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Originally Posted by Bulldawg82
MLK was a registered Republican. How conservative he would have been . . . ??? But, the parties were very different back then.
Well, yes and no. There's a lot of different takes on it.
I think you could say that the Nixon-Carter Era with McGovern et al is where the changes started.
The Democrat Party at that time consisted of Northern Liberals, uh, Socialists by any other name, and then Southern Democrats. The Southern Democrats then equate to the Religious Right today. Because of the Civil War and Lincoln being a Republican, you couldn't run for political office in the South as a Republican.
Then you had your "Dixiecrats."
Your Republicans then were socially and fiscally conservative, but politically moderate to liberal.
It's after Reagan, that a Republican can actually run for office in the South and win. The defection of a number of Democrats to the Republican party helped that. For example, Jesse Helms, a Democrat defected to the Republican Party. I like him. I spent a day escorting him (and a British Member of Parliament and Bundestag member) around Germany looking at nuclear weapons facilities. He was on some kind of fact-finding mission apparently.
There are a lot of demographic changes taking place, too. For example, you had an wholesale shift of Capital in the US --- textiles from the New England States moved to the Southeast due to unions and oppressive State and local taxation and regulation; manufacturing flees the Midwest for nearly the same reason; and then technology leaves the East Coast and settles on the West Coast --- that was the cause of the recession during that period.
Once all the Capital has finally shifted and business and manufacturing are up and running again, the excess labor (not surplus labor) is re-absorbed, and then people are also leaving New England, the Atlantic Coast and the Midwest to resettle in the South.
That shift in demographics helped the Republicans capture States in the South in elections.
The Northern Liberals that come to the South drive the Religious Right out of the Democrat Party to the Republican Party.
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Originally Posted by Bulldawg82
As for Gandhi - there is a lot of myth to him that isn't the reality, but repainting him as gun-toting? That is a stretch.
Okay, maybe Gandhi didn't carry a piece, but his followers and supporters did --- and they carried out acts of violence, including political assassinations, so, shall split hairs?
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Originally Posted by Don Draper
In the 1960's Southern Democrats were the conservatives. MLK wanted radical progress , how in the world is that conservative?
MLK did not want radical progress. He met several times with the Eisenhower Administration to discuss issues. They had a plan to with a time-frame to shift policies and ease America along without creating culture shock and the violence that always comes with culture shock.
Perhaps if the plans made by MLK and Eisenhower had actually been put into effect on their time-table, MLK might still be alive.
What's the difference between Gandhi and John Gotti?
Where they lived.
Gotti would wave a friendly wave and smile a becoming smile, and all the while his henchmen were engaging in black-mail, extortion, fraud, money-laundering, drug smuggling, drug distribution, illegal gambling, graft, bribery, corruption, and many other other illegal and illicit acts......including the murder of others.
Gandhi was no different. Gandhi sat around all Buddha-like while his henchmen robbed banks, committed black-mail, extortion, fraud, money-laundering and assassinated public officials -- something you would call Terrorism™.
Well, yes and no. There's a lot of different takes on it.
I think you could say that the Nixon-Carter Era with McGovern et al is where the changes started.
The Democrat Party at that time consisted of Northern Liberals, uh, Socialists by any other name, and then Southern Democrats. The Southern Democrats then equate to the Religious Right today. Because of the Civil War and Lincoln being a Republican, you couldn't run for political office in the South as a Republican.
Then you had your "Dixiecrats."
Your Republicans then were socially and fiscally conservative, but politically moderate to liberal.
It's after Reagan, that a Republican can actually run for office in the South and win. The defection of a number of Democrats to the Republican party helped that. For example, Jesse Helms, a Democrat defected to the Republican Party. I like him. I spent a day escorting him (and a British Member of Parliament and Bundestag member) around Germany looking at nuclear weapons facilities. He was on some kind of fact-finding mission apparently.
There are a lot of demographic changes taking place, too. For example, you had an wholesale shift of Capital in the US --- textiles from the New England States moved to the Southeast due to unions and oppressive State and local taxation and regulation; manufacturing flees the Midwest for nearly the same reason; and then technology leaves the East Coast and settles on the West Coast --- that was the cause of the recession during that period.
Once all the Capital has finally shifted and business and manufacturing are up and running again, the excess labor (not surplus labor) is re-absorbed, and then people are also leaving New England, the Atlantic Coast and the Midwest to resettle in the South.
That shift in demographics helped the Republicans capture States in the South in elections.
The Northern Liberals that come to the South drive the Religious Right out of the Democrat Party to the Republican Party.
Okay, maybe Gandhi didn't carry a piece, but his followers and supporters did --- and they carried out acts of violence, including political assassinations, so, shall split hairs?
MLK did not want radical progress. He met several times with the Eisenhower Administration to discuss issues. They had a plan to with a time-frame to shift policies and ease America along without creating culture shock and the violence that always comes with culture shock.
Perhaps if the plans made by MLK and Eisenhower had actually been put into effect on their time-table, MLK might still be alive.
Historically...
Mircea
Just because these "assassins" also worked towards the Indian independence movement doesn't make them Gandhi's henchman or mean Gandhi had anything to do with it, that's like saying MLK ran the Black Panther party merely because he was in the civil rights movement. Different people were employing different means for roughly the same end happens all the time.
And MLK did advocate radical progress, radicalism is about applying fundamental change which is what MLK and anyone in their right mind would've advocated, just because he had a time table doesn't change the nature of what he was doing.
Are these Revisionists much different than those people who claim
The Holocaust never happened ...
The moon landing in 1969 was faked ...
9/11 was orchestrated by the US Government ...
Inquiring minds want to know!
As far as the Ghandi thing goes, the difference is that those people exist in the real world, not just in the minds of anti-gun trolls. Because the quote was accurate.
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