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Old 03-04-2013, 01:39 PM
 
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Just because I want to...

policlimate.com | Dr. Ryan Maue's Global Tropical Cyclone Activity Update

go about halfway down the page and you will see a series of graphs that outline Hurricane frequency and ACE (the mathmatical formula that gives us the total energy of all cyclones globally.

You will see that we are close to the low from the 1970s. The warming we have seen has NOT led to ANY increase in either frequency or intensity of hurricanes. period.

anyone saying different (like Andrew Cuomo and Jim Hansen and Bill Nye the Science Guy) are LIARS.

They are liars because they know better.
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:56 PM
 
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The sea level on the east coast has been rising for decades, if hurricane Sandy had hit the Norfolk, VA area it would have been completely devastating. There are areas that are flooding repeatedly up and down the east coast, not just from hurricanes but from northeasters and other events. Before the last 2 hurricanes the legislature in North Carolina wanted to restrict the use of the words "global Warming". People with homes along the shoreline that were never flooded before are retreating, the sea level is rising, if you don't want to believe in science then listen to the shoreline residents.
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:58 PM
 
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The earth periodicially heats and peridodically cools.

The nature of things.

Much ado about nothing.
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:25 PM
 
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The sea level on the east coast has been rising for decades, if hurricane Sandy had hit the Norfolk, VA area it would have been completely devastating. There are areas that are flooding repeatedly up and down the east coast, not just from hurricanes but from northeasters and other events. Before the last 2 hurricanes the legislature in North Carolina wanted to restrict the use of the words "global Warming". People with homes along the shoreline that were never flooded before are retreating, the sea level is rising, if you don't want to believe in science then listen to the shoreline residents.
nope.

the sealevel has not changed a bit on the east coast...the 100 years old docks there in NYC , coney island, fire island, are all at the very same sea level there were in the 1930's, I have lived on the shore or near the shore for 75 years
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:48 PM
 
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The sea level on the east coast has been rising for decades, if hurricane Sandy had hit the Norfolk, VA area it would have been completely devastating. There are areas that are flooding repeatedly up and down the east coast, not just from hurricanes but from northeasters and other events. Before the last 2 hurricanes the legislature in North Carolina wanted to restrict the use of the words "global Warming". People with homes along the shoreline that were never flooded before are retreating, the sea level is rising, if you don't want to believe in science then listen to the shoreline residents.
What does storm surge have to do with sea levels rising, If hurr. sandy had not happened during a astronomically high tide it would not have been nearly as bad.
Sandy's Storm Surge Visualized - weather.com



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Old 03-04-2013, 05:52 PM
 
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You need to look at the bigger picture....Sure it will be a warmer world over all, but some areas will experience severe droughts, others will get more rain, more forest fires, some areas will experience a shortage of water, (Two dry winters in a row have left Colorado's mountains bare and our reservoirs dangerously low. Udall: Time to combat effects of climate change, drought | SummitDaily.com ) the ocean currents will change, as will the jet steams, many low lying areas will be flooded and millions of people will have to relocate...Storms will be more severe and larger.... Climate change impacts the hydrology and biology of the planet -- everything, including winds, rains and temperature, is linked.

All of this is forecast for the future, but since I am nearing the end of my life I will see little of it, but my grandchildren probably will.
So if we buy a few million carbon credits from Al Gore will that fill the reservoirs in Colorado?

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Old 03-04-2013, 06:00 PM
 
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nope.

the sealevel has not changed a bit on the east coast...the 100 years old docks there in NYC , coney island, fire island, are all at the very same sea level there were in the 1930's, I have lived on the shore or near the shore for 75 years
Sea level has definitely increased on LI and other places on the atlantic coast, personal observation, FEMA and NASA. There is not a community on the eastern shoreline that doesn't see the effects. There was someone who lived in the Norfolk area that charted the flood levels on his garage, they were increasing in both frequency and level. People are retreating from the shoreline for a very good reason, unprecendented sea level rise.

I was mistaken it was the VA legislature, they restricted the use of the words "sea level rise" to "flooding".


Battleground Dispatches: Norfolk Readies for Future Storms, Sea Level Rise | PBS NewsHour | Dec. 6, 2012 | PBS
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:13 PM
 
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Sea level has definitely increased on LI and other places on the atlantic coast, personal observation, FEMA and NASA. There is not a community on the eastern shoreline that doesn't see the effects. There was someone who lived in the Norfolk area that charted the flood levels on his garage, they were increasing in both frequency and level. People are retreating from the shoreline for a very good reason, unprecendented sea level rise.
nope

I can show you pictures from mattituck (north fork long island)(peconic bay) from 1910's that show the very same sea level
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:14 PM
 
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A 2012 article in Nature, "Hotspot of accelerated sea-level rise on the Atlantic coast of North America," shows that between 1950–1979 and 1980–2009, there was an accelerated rate of sea-level rise along the Atlantic northeast that was ~ 3–4 times higher than the global average.

This especially vulnerable hotspot is a 1,000 km long stretch coastline on the highly populated Atlantic coast north of Cape Hatteras.

On the following graph, the extreme right figure shows the change from 1980 to 2009, and the more orange or red the dots, the more accelerated the rate of sea-level rise has been.






http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journ...imate1597.html
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:14 PM
 
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What does storm surge have to do with sea levels rising, If hurr. sandy had not happened during a astronomically high tide it would not have been nearly as bad.
Sandy's Storm Surge Visualized - weather.com



bill
Yes Sandy hit at the worst possible time, high tide, full moon but it was not a hurricane at landfall.
Hurricanes show you the worst case scenario and give a good picture about what is going on, the 1938 Hurricane know as the Long Island Express was a CAT 5 but went to a CAT 3 when it reached landfall, it was moving at around 50-70 MPH in addition the CAT 3 winds. The storm surge from that hurricane took houses off their foundations on the bay side of the LI sound, there are homes on LI that never flooded during that hurricane but they were flooded by Sandy, Irene in addition to some tropical storms in the last few years.

The FEMA maps were changed a few years ago for LI predicting increased flood risks inland, they were very accurate.
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