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Old 03-06-2013, 08:59 AM
 
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PA Medicaid Expansion Debate Isn't About Costs - Keystone Politics

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There’s a hot new study out of UMass that says creating a single state government insurer would save PA residents about $1000 a year on their health care spending, and reduce total spending by about 11%
The full MIT study is available by link in the Keystone article above.

Obviously, PA isn't about to try the experiment anytime soon: its governor, Tom Corbett, is a Republican who has just recently declined to participate in the ACA Medicaid expansion or state-run insurance exchange, and both chambers of the state legislature have GOP majorities who will (probably) back him on both decisions.

Nonetheless, as a theoretical example of a large state's implementation of a single-payer system, equivalent to the Canadian model in being state-based, it provides some interesting policy-wonk fodder.

In practice, single-payer state plans are more likely to tried first in smaller states: in Oregon, where the governor John Kitzhaber has been a national leader in health-provision reform and innovation, there is a significant and growing movement for a single-payer system. Vermont, led by Gov. Peter Shumlin, may well be the first state to implement such a plan.

The role of the states is often described as "laboratories of democracy", and in the area of health-insurance reform, that appears to be exactly correct. A key, however, will be the willingness of the federal government to issue waivers to the ACA to allow such experiments to take place - and that of course depends on who controls the federal government.
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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PA Medicaid Expansion Debate Isn't About Costs - Keystone Politics

The full MIT study is available by link in the Keystone article above.

Obviously, PA isn't about to try the experiment anytime soon: its governor, Tom Corbett, is a Republican who has just recently declined to participate in the ACA Medicaid expansion or state-run insurance exchange, and both chambers of the state legislature have GOP majorities who will (probably) back him on both decisions.

Nonetheless, as a theoretical example of a large state's implementation of a single-payer system, equivalent to the Canadian model in being state-based, it provides some interesting policy-wonk fodder.

In practice, single-payer state plans are more likely to tried first in smaller states: in Oregon, where the governor John Kitzhaber has been a national leader in health-provision reform and innovation, there is a significant and growing movement for a single-payer system. Vermont, led by Gov. Peter Shumlin, may well be the first state to implement such a plan.

The role of the states is often described as "laboratories of democracy", and in the area of health-insurance reform, that appears to be exactly correct. A key, however, will be the willingness of the federal government to issue waivers to the ACA to allow such experiments to take place - and that of course depends on who controls the federal government.
I'd rather spend the extra grand and be able to make my own choices than save a few bucks and let politicians decide what I need for medical care.

I will make health decisions based on health.

Politicians will make health decisions based on politics.
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:06 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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the politician know what is right for us. we mus trust them fully.
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:11 AM
 
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Canada rations healthcare.

"Canada has been able to develop a fairly successful system of healthcare rationing by balancing the conflicting concerns of equal access and cost efficiency, federal funding and provincial control, and public sector management and private sector provision. Financial constraints limit the kinds of services included within the notion of equal access, however, forcing healthcare providers to make difficult choices about who will receive a particular healthcare service"


Rationing health care in Canada. [Ann Health Law. 1993] - PubMed - NCBI
An ethical framework for rationing health care. [J Med Philos. 1992] - PubMed - NCBI
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:14 AM
 
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Canada rations healthcare.

Everybody rations healthcare.
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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A key, however, will be the willingness of the federal government to issue waivers to the ACA to allow such experiments to take place - and that of course depends on who controls the federal government.
The irony here is that Romney said he would issue blanket waivers, while the Obama admin might be reluctant to let a state go off on its own.
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:17 AM
 
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Everybody rations healthcare.
How does the USA ration healthcare for someone that has insurance?
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:20 AM
 
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The irony here is that Romney said he would issue blanket waivers, while the Obama admin might be reluctant to let a state go off on its own.
Yes, ironic. But the indications are that Sibelius will issue the necessary waivers to both Oregon and Vermont as needed. But since neither state will be ready to try single-payer before 2017, and Romney's assurances obviously no longer matter to anyone, the real question is whether the next administration, of whichever party, is willing to do the same.
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:21 AM
 
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How does the USA ration healthcare for someone that has insurance?
The only things in life that are not rationed are sunshine and air.

I would argue that a lot of medical procedures are more readily available to someone with insurance. Doesn't mean it aint rationed.

Doctors and patients ration healthcare everyday.
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:23 AM
 
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How does the USA ration healthcare for someone that has insurance?

This is an elementary question the answer to which is readily available to anyone with an internet connection - frankly I can't be bothered to provide you with something you should already know. Go look it up.
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