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Old 10-30-2012, 07:41 PM
 
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To me it seems like a cover up. The organization runs the test multiple times and continuously gets the same result. Neutrinos were traveling faster than the speed of light.

Months later, they declare the test faulty and the head engineer and the head director resign.

This is important because this would mean that Tesla may have been right that ether was the medium that held light.

This means that it is possible to travel faster than the speed of light. Without this capability, intergalatic spacetravel would be impossible.

 
Old 10-30-2012, 07:50 PM
 
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Now there is an "Other" controversy you cn sink you teeth into. Even if Tesla was correct and everything you say is true you'd still need the technology to harness and use that power. So see you in a few hundred years or so.
 
Old 10-30-2012, 07:54 PM
 
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Now there is an "Other" controversy you cn sink you teeth into. Even if Tesla was correct and everything you say is true you'd still need the technology to harness and use that power. So see you in a few hundred years or so.
How do you know they haven't already been working on this for years? Somebody did manage to, dare I say coerce or bribe, CERN to keep their mouths shut.
 
Old 10-30-2012, 08:03 PM
 
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The conspiracy crowd are always good for a few laughs...

This one? Not as hilarious as the chemtrails thread....

Measurement errors


In February 2012, the OPERA collaboration announced two possible sources of error that could have significantly influenced the results.[7]

A link from a GPS receiver to the OPERA master clock was loose, which increased the delay through the fiber. The glitch's effect was to decrease the reported flight time of the neutrinos by 73 ns, making them seem faster than light.[21][22]
A clock on an electronic board ticked faster than its expected 10 MHz frequency, lengthening the reported flight-time of neutrinos, thereby somewhat reducing the seeming faster-than-light effect. OPERA stated the component had been operating outside its specifications.[23]

In March 2012 an LNGS seminar was held, confirming the fiber cable was not fully screwed in during data gathering.[5] LVD researchers compared the timing data for cosmic high-energy muons hitting both the OPERA and the nearby LVD detector between 2007-2008, 2008-2011, and 2011-2012. The shift obtained for the 2008-2011 period agreed with the OPERA anomaly.[24] The researchers also found photographs showing the cable had been loose by October 13, 2011.

Correcting for the two newly found sources of error, results for neutrino speed appear to be consistent with the speed of light.[5]

Faster-than-light neutrino anomaly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 10-30-2012, 08:07 PM
 
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The conspiracy crowd are always good for laughs... This one? Not as hilarious as the chemtrails thread....

Measurement errors

In February 2012, the OPERA collaboration announced two possible sources of error that could have significantly influenced the results.[7]

A link from a GPS receiver to the OPERA master clock was loose, which increased the delay through the fiber. The glitch's effect was to decrease the reported flight time of the neutrinos by 73 ns, making them seem faster than light.[21][22]
A clock on an electronic board ticked faster than its expected 10 MHz frequency, lengthening the reported flight-time of neutrinos, thereby somewhat reducing the seeming faster-than-light effect. OPERA stated the component had been operating outside its specifications.[23]

In March 2012 an LNGS seminar was held, confirming the fiber cable was not fully screwed in during data gathering.[5] LVD researchers compared the timing data for cosmic high-energy muons hitting both the OPERA and the nearby LVD detector between 2007-2008, 2008-2011, and 2011-2012. The shift obtained for the 2008-2011 period agreed with the OPERA anomaly.[24] The researchers also found photographs showing the cable had been loose by October 13, 2011.

Correcting for the two newly found sources of error, results for neutrino speed appear to be consistent with the speed of light.[5]

Faster-than-light neutrino anomaly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How easy would it be to fabricate those results?

Why did the two top people involved resign?

This would be perhaps, the most innovative "discovery" in human history. It would allow for intergalatic space travel, which is impossible if you are limited to the speed of light.

Many people believe there is evidence of alien life on earth. How do you propose they arrived?

How could they possibly navigate through hundreds to hundreds of thousands of lightyears through the barren wasteland of space without the ability to travel around space time?
 
Old 10-30-2012, 08:10 PM
 
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How do you know they haven't already been working on this for years? Somebody did manage to, dare I say coerce or bribe, CERN to keep their mouths shut.
Even if they have, see you in a few hundred years. How are you going to deal with the million other problems with intersteller space travel. Yeah I revised my time line see you in a few thousand years.
 
Old 10-30-2012, 08:13 PM
 
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Even if they have, see you in a few hundred years. How are you going to deal with the million other problems with intersteller space travel. Yeah I revised my time line see you in a few thousand years.
People are so greedy and hateful, more than likely we would use this discovery, if it exists, to create weapons to destroy eachother.
 
Old 10-30-2012, 08:22 PM
 
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How easy would it be to fabricate those results?
I guess in the conspiracy world it's very easy....

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Why did the two top people involved resign?
Since both these men declined to discuss their resignation nobody knows...

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This would be perhaps, the most innovative "discovery" in human history. It would allow for intergalatic space travel, which is impossible if you are limited to the speed of light.

Many people believe there is evidence of alien life on earth. How do you propose they arrived?
People believe in many preposterous things but that doesn't make them real...

Well, as per Ancient Aliens they used some type of matter transfer gate to beam themselves wherever they want...

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How could they possibly navigate through hundreds to hundreds of thousands of lightyears through the barren wasteland of space without the ability to travel around space time?
Wait a minute, if space is a barren wasteland then aliens don't exist so your question is moot....

Why this science topic is posted in P&OC rather than the Science and Technology forum, could it be because of some conspiracy here on C-D or are the mods really aliens?
 
Old 10-30-2012, 08:28 PM
 
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I guess in the conspiracy world it's very easy....



Since both these men declined to discuss their resignation nobody knows...



People believe in many preposterous things but that doesn't make them real...

Well, as per Ancient Aliens they used some type of matter transfer gate to beam themselves wherever they want...



Wait a minute, if space is a barren wasteland then aliens don't exist so your question is moot....
That's essentially what it is...a transfer gate...they would travel through the non-material ether.

They could theoretically transport from one place to another at any point in spacetime, travelling faster than the speed of light.

Space, as far as our satellites, telescopes, or whatever other imaging we use tell us, is a barren wasteland isn't it? Unless of course, they know something we don't know.

And this is a controversy. Sure, it has something to do with science, but a potential cover up is a controversy. What difference does it make to you where this is posted?

Uh...unless you're trying to tell me something, and in that case, sure delete the thread.
 
Old 10-30-2012, 08:43 PM
 
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That's essentially what it is...a transfer gate...they would travel through the non-material ether.

They could theoretically transport from one place to another at any point in space, travelling faster than the speed of light.
What if they are using some other method of transportation?

I seriously doubt with the miniscule amount of time mankind has lived in the Multiverse they have discovered everything there is to know...

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Space, as far as our satellites, telescopes, or whatever other imaging we use, is a barren wasteland isn't it? Unless of course, they know something we don't know.
barren = empty, nothing zilch, zip, nada..... So if space is barren there is no life in space e.g. aliens don't exist...

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And this is a controversy. Sure, it has something to do with science, but a potential cover up is a controversy. What difference does it make to you where this is posted?
As I said, you conspiracy people are always good for a laugh, now it's CERN, last month chemtrails, before that Kennedy, before that America's Moon landings...
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