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Originally Posted by Think4Yourself
It's not the old and white problem so much as the insular problem which is really killing them in national elections.
It's true the report, by its own admission, offers no policy recommendations, and obviously doesn't really say anything new that others haven't already been saying for awhile now. Except what's different is that this was a study commissioned by Republicans! And yet even then, note that almost every conservative post here has still been basically in De Nile!!
Although one area which no one seems to address (and IMHO is the main problem), isn't simply the ''talking to themselves'' issue, as it is the growing "disconnect" between the mainstream GOP (aka, "command & control") and the party's ''base'', which is now constantly fed by a RW media machine that has basically taken on a life of its own!
So for example, what difference does it make, whether the Republican Party changes its policies or spends millions, say in ''community outreach'' efforts to court blacks, latinos or other minorities... when most of those same minorities can still hear conservatives like Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck routinely trash them as ''parasites'' and ''welfare queens'' (or worse)?!! Let alone that they can hardly scan the AM dial in any metro area without hearing things like other angry ''conservatives'' attacking the first black POTUS as an ''uppity muslim socialist thug'', with a wife named ''moo-chelle''!
Try coming up with ''policy changes'' to fix that issue!
Not agreeing with you on what mistakes were made is not equivalent to not recognizing the mistakes. The mistake that you're describing is basically "The Republican Party is conservative". Sorry but that's not a mistake. We are conservatives. We will remain conservatives. We are not going to become Democrat-lite. We are not going to abandon the principle of personal responsibility to start passing out free birth control, absolve people of all responsibility for their own success because they're black or hispanic, tell people what kind of light bulbs they can buy, regulate business into oblivion, declare white men the root of all the world's evil, or any of the things you do.
This will not happen. Republicans are not the party of entitlements. That is the Democrats. We are not going to sell our souls to win an election. The Democrats are the party that panders to people with bribes for votes, not the Republicans.
This is the Republican Party Platform:
In the spirit of the Constitution, we consider discrimination based on sex, race, age, religion, creed, disability, or national origin unacceptable and immoral. We will strongly enforce anti-discrimination statutes and ask all to join us in rejecting the forces of hatred and bigotry and in denouncing all who practice or promote racism, anti-Semitism, ethnic prejudice, or religious intolerance. We support efforts to help low-income individuals get a fair chance based on their potential and individual merit; but we reject preferences, quotas, and set-asides as the best or sole methods through which fairness can be achieved, whether in government, education, or corporate boardrooms. In a free society, the primary role of government is to protect the God-given, inalienable, inherent rights of its citizens, including the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Merit, ability, aptitude, and results should be the factors that determine advancement in our society.
Note: "We support efforts to help low-income individuals get a fair chance based on their potential and individual merit; but we reject preferences, quotas, and set-asides as the best or sole methods through which fairness can be achieved, whether in government, education, or corporate boardrooms."
We are not going to "ditch" anyone based on you not liking them. The RNC wants to change the message, not change the principles. Our new message is not going to be "You're all pitiful victims of the evil rich white men, vote for us and we will tax everything we can and give it to you". Our message is going to be getting into the communities and letting minorities know how Democrats have been using lies and misinformation and that they aren't pathetic helpless victims who need liberals to come save them, that there is a world of opportunity out there for everyone regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation, and if you vote Republican we can strengthen America and bring opportunity to all. That's a change in message - yours is a change in principles. That's not going to happen. Our new approach on entitlements that you reference is not going to be handing out more of them, it's going to be getting to the grassroots level and making a real effort to educate people on how they don't need crutches to be successful.
Typical double standard.
If I were black or Hispanic complaining about the same thing, you'd be screaming how its racist and unfair.
For some reason the idea of "Everyone" being equal, eludes you. Don't worry, growing up lower middle class, in a large liberal city, I'm used to the double standard
Typical double standard.
If I were black or Hispanic complaining about the same thing, you'd be screaming how its racist and unfair.
For some reason the idea of "Everyone" being equal, eludes you. Don't worry, growing up lower middle class, in a large liberal city, I'm used to the double standard
Tony, you and I are both white. We are privileged in multiple ways you don't ever see. No one silently or secretly takes our race into consideration when we apply for a loan, a job or approach someone in a dark alley.
The difference between us is that I recognize how privileged we are. You don't.
To complain about your whiteness is idiotic to the 10th degree. No one is saying it's bad to be white except you. The fact that you interpretted the study that way means you have no clue about what the GOP is saying. They are saying that the GOP is almost exclusively white and excludes many people of color. Need proof? Take a look at some random crowd shots of the biggest gathering of Republicans (the RNC). This crowd does not represent America:
In saying that, that the GOP wants to better improve communication, he was absolutely correct. In what he imagines the GOP "same crap" is, he's completely and utterly wrong.
The GOP remains absolutely clueless, based on the vapid comments of its featherweight leader, Reince Priebus:
“The way we communicate our principles isn’t resonating widely enough,” he said.
Therein lies the problem; they think the message is a good one, they just haven't said it loudly enough.
That isn't what he said. So therein doesn't lie "the problem". Therein lies your misinterpretation of what was said.
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Until they change their message of fear, anger, and blind opposition to economic progress, they'll continue to falter.
They don't have a message of fear, anger, or blind opposition to economic progress. That's you taking a message you don't agree with and casting it a bad light. For example, Democrats and Republicans both say they are for the middle class. But somehow the Democrats are honest when they say this, while Republicans are liars.
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Until they change their policy of endless middle east wars to benefit the Saudis and big oil, they'll falter.
Until they move away from their bedrock principle of more money for millionaires and less for workers, they'll continue to shrink.
No, they wont. Evidence of that is that the Democrats also have a bedrock principle of more money for millionaires and less for workers. It's simply that you've bought into the Democrat propaganda and haven't bought into the Republican message. This post you made is exactly what Stalin referred to when he talked about the "useful idiots".
Now I'm not meaning to say you're an idiot. That's Stalin's term. You may be highly intelligent, I have no idea. But your message here is an example of buying into propaganda, assuming everything the other side says is a lie and everything your side says is the truth. Stalin was meaning that he could do whatever he wanted and as long as he said "it's for the good of the people" then the people would believe it and let him do it. Your post is a textbook example of that. Democrats are fighting for minorities, and yet in 50 years the condition of the minority community hasn't improved one iota. Democrats are fighting for the working man, and yet the wealth gap between rich and poor has grown under Obama. Democrats are individual freedom, and yet they have kept all the Republican civil rights violations of the Patriot Act and added more of them. Democrats are for educational opportunity, and yet the teachers unions are the most powerful in the nation while test scores continue to falter.
Look at that photo again. A white presidential candidate seeking a photo-op by giving lip service to the poor by speaking to an all-white crowd.
I've seen that hundreds of times.
There are more poor whites than poor minorities, so what does the skin color have to do with it? It's funny how when a conservative refers to the poor as being characteristically black, liberals call him a racist. But when it serves their own purposes, they are more than happy to stereotype minorities as poor.
Why do liberals/democrats waste so much precious time finding and posting crap articles about how bad the other party is?
Get a life.
Get a job.
Do something constructive.
You should really take your own advice.
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