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Old 03-19-2013, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
Depends on what definition for "fascism" is being used.
The "fascism" of Mussolini's Italy, was left wing (opposed to traditional authority).
Fascism is currently defined as in support of traditional authority.
FASCISM - any political or social ideology of the extreme right which relies on a combination of pseudo-religious attitudes and the brutal use of force for getting and keeping power.
- - - Webster's Dictionary
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The major characteristics of "Fascism" :

* EXTREME RIGHT
* PSEUDO-RELIGIOUS
* BRUTAL

Let's consider the wing with which people are associated with, when speaking of political partisanship.
LEFT WING - the section of a political party, government or group that holds the most left or radical views.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

RIGHT WING - the section of a political party, government or group that holding the views of the Right.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

THE RIGHT - that section of a political party ... which associates itself with traditional authority or opinion and which in legislative bodies is seated traditionally to the right of the presiding officer.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

THE LEFT - that section of a political party ... which differs most from traditional authority or opinion and which in legislative bodies is seated traditionally to the left of the presiding officer.
- - - Webster's Dictionary
Obviously, 'wingism' is relative to one's reference point.
George Washington was a "Leftist" with respect to King George.
But after the revolution, Geo.Wash. was a "Rightist", with respect to the new "traditional" authority.

The question today should be : which "wing" most represents the "American ideal" of the inalienable rights to life, liberty (natural and personal), and the absolute ownership of private property - upon which one can pursue happiness without asking permission of another.

(BTW - collectivists / communists are opposed to private property ownership.)

The current definition of what "is" is.

 
Old 03-20-2013, 02:00 AM
 
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Originally Posted by txgolfer130 View Post
The current definition of what "is" is.
Exactly. The silence from the right wingers speaks volumes that they seem to agree with the tea party leader that they feel radical right wing fascism is "pro america" and "pro constitution".
 
Old 03-20-2013, 02:29 AM
 
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Fascism is radical right wing, which the tea party represents.
Fascism is left wing, not radical right wing.
 
Old 03-20-2013, 02:30 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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The teaparty and far right wing fascism have gone hand in hand, and this recent development from a teaparty leader further confirms their extremist agenda.

"A tea party leader in Texas is defending his promotion of the American Fascist Party as something he thought was “pro-Constitution, pro-America.”

James Ives, who was listed as the president of the Greater Fort Bend County Tea Party in 2011, confirmed to The Texas Tribune on Monday that he had made a
promotional video for the American Fascist Party and advocated tea party principles on a Fascist Party message board.


In the video, a man who looks like Ives sits in front of a Fascist Party logo wearing a uniform with yellow shoulder patches. Another photo shows a uniformed man sitting in front of a fascist cross. The blog that inspired Norwegian mass shooter Anders Behring Breivik describes fascist solar crosses as “symbolic representations buried deep in the regions of the brain where the primal responses to stimuli are rage, awe, and fear.”



Texas tea party leader promotes Fascist Party as ‘pro-Constitution, pro-America’ | The Raw Story


that tea party leader is an idiot and should go back to school to learn again. because they sure as hell do not know what they are talking about.
 
Old 03-20-2013, 02:34 AM
 
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the Tea Party is vile - it's definitely too far to the right.

how about the Constitution Party - seems similar?
 
Old 03-20-2013, 02:37 AM
 
Location: Monnem Germany/ from San Diego
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Fascism is left wing, not radical right wing.
Of course Faschism is right wing but really doesn´t matter if you go right to the end or left to the end you end up in the same place.
 
Old 03-20-2013, 03:20 AM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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At least he has the nuts to admit to his agenda.
That's better than most of the right wingers on this forum. I'll give him that much.
 
Old 03-20-2013, 03:23 AM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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Fascism is left wing, not radical right wing.
You failed polisci 101, didn't you? You're just displaying pure ignorance now.
 
Old 03-20-2013, 05:06 AM
 
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You failed polisci 101, didn't you? You're just displaying pure ignorance now.
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler, Speech of May 1, 1927.

From the 25 goals of the Nazi Party as written about in Mein Kampf:

7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens.
9. All citizens shall have equal rights and duties.
10. It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good.
12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.
21. The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants, by prohibiting child labor, by promoting physical strength through legislation providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.
25. To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states.

You want to claim that equal rights, land reform, national overseeing of healthcare, strong central power, land reform, profit sharing, old age insurance, communalizing of large stores, working for the common good, etc are radical right wing ideas?

So much for your arrogant "you failed poli sci 101" attitude.
 
Old 03-20-2013, 05:16 AM
 
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Originally Posted by kidkaos2 View Post
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler, Speech of May 1, 1927.

From the 25 goals of the Nazi Party as written about in Mein Kampf:

7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens.
9. All citizens shall have equal rights and duties.
10. It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good.
12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.
21. The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants, by prohibiting child labor, by promoting physical strength through legislation providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.
25. To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states.

You want to claim that equal rights, land reform, national overseeing of healthcare, strong central power, land reform, profit sharing, old age insurance, communalizing of large stores, working for the common good, etc are radical right wing ideas?

So much for your arrogant "you failed poli sci 101" attitude.
In your mind fascism and the nazis are far left, so that makes the tea party left wing extremists?

I'd love to hear your expatiation for that one,,...
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