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Old 03-24-2013, 10:17 AM
 
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" Speaking of the ACA, fewer physicians (38 percent in 2012) believe the ACA is a step in the wrong direction compared with 44 percent in 2011. The number who think the law is a good place to start remained the same"
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Old 03-24-2013, 10:21 AM
 
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Deloitte mailed the survey to more than 20,000 physicians selected from the American Medical Association's master file. Just 613 returned completed surveys, giving a margin of error of 3.9%

It has become increasingly clear the AMA membership is a minority of Mds. :

AMA losing members in droves, less than 20 percent of US doctors support its agenda

77 Percent Of Doctors Say AMA Does Not Represent Their Views | ThinkProgress
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Old 03-24-2013, 10:30 AM
 
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The bigger the mess this becomes the closer we`ll be to single payer.We don`t need these Health Insurance leaches.
Medicare is the closest thing we have to national healthcare. It could be expanded over time to include those age 50-64 and then expanded to the general population. Supplemental health care insure would be the bone for insurers.

Congress must change the law and allow Medicare to negotiate price for prescription medications instead of continue to be owned by big pharm.
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Old 03-24-2013, 10:40 AM
 
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Medicare is the closest thing we have to national healthcare. It could be expanded over time to include those age 50-64 and then expanded to the general population. Supplemental health care insure would be the bone for insurers.

Congress must change the law and allow Medicare to negotiate price for prescription medications instead of continue to be owned by big pharm.
Expanding medicare will be a disaster unless the middle class is able to afford another tax hike.

15% of the USA population is currently on medicare. Yet medicare consumes 20% of the entire US budget.

You cannot expand medicare without taxes on the middle class. The wealthy (super wealthy) will escape most of the taxes. And those HENRY's (high earners not yet rich) 200-500K tax revenue will not be able to support expanding medicare.
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Old 03-24-2013, 10:51 AM
 
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Yes, there are hundreds of different forms to fill out as every insurance company has their own form. Did the "Standardized Form Database" make it to the ACA? Doctors and hospitals have been begging for that for years, and I remember them trying to add it to ACA, but I don't remember if it was added, or excluded.
Having 50 different appointed state insurance commissions is redundant, adds incremental cost and is politics as usual.
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Old 03-24-2013, 11:00 AM
 
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You're delusional and wrong.
And why exactly do you think that? Do you really think Insurance Companies wanted unlimited payouts, accepting the most expensive people in the country and limits on profit margins?

And that's what they got being actively in the debate.

What's dillusional is thinking that Insurance Companies were all for completely removing themselves from the US economy.

Unfortunately, with that removal the ability to choose will also be removed and the unitary state so many authoritarians want is one step closer (to insolvency).
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Old 03-24-2013, 11:08 AM
 
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Expanding medicare will be a disaster unless the middle class is able to afford another tax hike.

15% of the USA population is currently on medicare. Yet medicare consumes 20% of the entire US budget.

You cannot expand medicare without taxes on the middle class. The wealthy (super wealthy) will escape most of the taxes. And those HENRY's (high earners not yet rich) 200-500K tax revenue will not be able to support expanding medicare.
First, allow Medicare to negotiate prices for prescription medications. Then allow objective highly qualified Md. comparative effective panels determine the best treatment as is done elsewhere in the develop world with equal or better medical outcomes.

Of course it implies higher Payroll taxes on all earned income offset with reduced cost for insurance.

Easy enough to impose a Medicare tax on gross or net Capital Gains or dare I say, wealth or some other creative way to extract payment from the super wealthy. These are amongst the financially elite who have acquired their wealth primarily from shareholder capitalism. It's the price to pay to avoid having to step over the masses dying in the streets due to lack of affordable medical care.

I hardly think it's likely that the super wealthy are going to give up their citizenship and relocate to Russia to avoid paying taxes. When you and I pay a higher effective tax rate than the super wealthy, something is amiss.
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Old 03-24-2013, 12:04 PM
 
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First, allow Medicare to negotiate prices for prescription medications. Then allow objective highly qualified Md. comparative effective panels determine the best treatment as is done elsewhere in the develop world with equal or better medical outcomes.

Of course it implies higher Payroll taxes on all earned income offset with reduced cost for insurance.

Easy enough to impose a Medicare tax on gross or net Capital Gains or dare I say, wealth or some other creative way to extract payment from the super wealthy. These are amongst the financially elite who have acquired their wealth primarily from shareholder capitalism. It's the price to pay to avoid having to step over the masses dying in the streets due to lack of affordable medical care.

I hardly think it's likely that the super wealthy are going to give up their citizenship and relocate to Russia to avoid paying taxes. When you and I pay a higher effective tax rate than the super wealthy, something is amiss.
Ain't going to happen. Even the UK limits their single payer health tax to the first 300K of income.

The only way this happens is there is 100% participation. That's what people do not understand. You can't cherry pick the top 5% to pick up the slack.

Everyone is afraid to raise taxes (especially the Democrats) on the "middle class". It's simply class warfare just to get votes.

You tell the middle class to suck it up along with the lower class and upper class. Than again that politician gets hammered at the polls for speaking the truth.

There is no easy way around this. Even the UK is facing a growing crisis in cost to run their single payer system.
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Old 03-24-2013, 12:07 PM
 
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Having 50 different appointed state insurance commissions is redundant, adds incremental cost and is politics as usual.
It is the opposite of politics as usual. The trend has been centralizing power in the federal government, not decentralizing it to the states.
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Old 03-24-2013, 12:18 PM
 
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Expanding medicare will be a disaster unless the middle class is able to afford another tax hike.

15% of the USA population is currently on medicare. Yet medicare consumes 20% of the entire US budget.

You cannot expand medicare without taxes on the middle class. The wealthy (super wealthy) will escape most of the taxes. And those HENRY's (high earners not yet rich) 200-500K tax revenue will not be able to support expanding medicare.
Liberals tend not to care how they are going to support a program they like. It's "social justice". They will go into funding it only insofar as it is necessary to get people to go along with it. Similar to how they claimed Obamacare was "deficit neutral" by starting to fund it 6 years before it actually went into effect.
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