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Old 03-29-2013, 06:59 PM
 
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This is a balled faced lie.


NOT ONE TIME did republicans even pretend to be willing to vote for Obamacare. there was NEVER any input from Republicans on the bill and Democrats passed it with full knowlege that there was NO SUPPORT from the republican side.

This bill is 100% a democrat bill that is exactly what the democrats wanted.

Dont revise history and pretend the bill was somehow messed up because of Republicans.
So typical isn't it. Democrats do a deal in the back room without republican input. Republicans fight it and Obama supporters think they got a big win and when they realize that free stuff was not so free after all and now they try to blame it on anyone but the Democrats.

This bill IS 100% Obama and the Democrats law, they own it, now live with it.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:16 PM
 
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An adjunct professor isn't a full time employee--it's someone that you hire part time to teach a class or two on a contract basis, and most of them have other full time careers. For instance, many schools use adjunct professors for night classes. Law schools will occasionally hire practicing attorneys to teach a class in the attorney's area of expertise while they still maintain their law practice. As a part timer, they wouldn't be qualified for health coverage anyway!
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:17 PM
 
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An adjunct professor isn't a full time employee--it's someone that you hire part time to teach a class or two on a contract basis, and most of them have other full time careers. For instance, many schools use adjunct professors for night classes. Law schools will occasionally hire practicing attorneys to teach a class in the attorney's area of expertise while they still maintain their law practice. As a part timer, they wouldn't be qualified for health coverage anyway!
Despite the article noting they are losing their health care.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:18 PM
 
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I am not a supporter of Obama-care, but actually long before it came into play less then half of college professors nationwide were actually considered full-time, mainly to avoid paying benefits. I believe currently it is only about a third that are considered full-time. Most administrators and all other employees will continue to receive benefits.
Do you a link to some data to back that up? I live in a major college town, and I have a number of friends on the faculty of either our local state university, area private colleges, or our local community college. All of them are full time employees. Adjunct, or part time professors, are usually hired to teach one or two night classes, etc. They're not tenure track.

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Old 03-29-2013, 07:23 PM
 
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Despite the article noting they are losing their health care.
"A handful of schools, including Community College of Allegheny County in Pennsylvania and Youngstown State University in Ohio, have curbed the number of classes that adjuncts can teach in the current spring semester to limit the schools’ exposure to the health-insurance requirement."

You're talking about one community college and a no name university and calling this a trend? Places like that tend to hire lots of adjuncts anyway because they don't have to pay them benefits. They keep them at a couple of classes.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:24 PM
 
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What goes around, comes around.

Academics who were so pleased that their theories of how the world "should" run are finally being put in place, are as surprised as such people usually are to find their ideals don't work in the real world.

The only thing I wonder about is:

How many times do we have to keep trying this? How many repeats of people being shocked, shocked do we have to go through, before we can finally get back to doing things they ways they actually work?

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http://www.aei-ideas.org/2013/01/confused-professors-shocked-schools-are-cutting-their-hours-to-avoid-obamacare-penalties/

Confused professors shocked schools are cutting their hours to avoid Obamacare penalties

Marc Thiessen | January 23, 2013, 9:46 am

Barack Obama is a former adjunct professor of constitutional law, and no group has been more solidly supportive of his liberal agenda than the professorial class. So it is a sweet irony that the latest group getting hammered by the mandates of Obamacare are … wait for it … adjunct professors.

The Wall Street Journal reports:

The federal health-care overhaul is prompting some colleges and universities to cut the hours of adjunct professors. [...] The Affordable Care Act requires large employers to offer a minimum level of health insurance to employees who work 30 hours a week or more starting in 2014, or face a penalty. The mandate is a particular challenge for colleges and universities, which increasingly rely on adjuncts to help keep costs down as states have scaled back funding for higher education.




You can just imagine the outraged conversations in the faculty lounge now: “We’re professors. I thought stuff like this only happened to manual laborers at Wendy’s and Taco Bell!”

Looks like the academy is finally getting a lesson in the costs of big government liberalism.

Isn't it just priceless? These idiots could not figure out that the "new healthcare law" that they fully supported, would actually affect them, and not just "the little people".

Is there anything that liberalism has touched that has not turned to crap?!
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:27 PM
 
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Adjunct means part-time. Teaching a couple of classes and usually at low pay. Its not a very good life and certainly most caught in the adjunct trap didn't plan on it as a career.
Or they have a full time career and teach a class on the side. That's fairly common. I've never known anyone trying to make a full time career out of it--that's like trying to make a career out of being a substitute teacher. It would be very difficult.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:29 PM
 
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The ACA is 100% a creation of the Democratic party, a la the AMT and other brilliant ideas of theirs.

They own this, and will have a hell of a time defending during election season in 2014 and 2016, particularly as more and more details about it come out, almost all of which will be disastrous to everybody including Obama and his 1% elite lapdogs.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Phila & NYC
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Do you a link to some data to back that up? I live in a major college town, and I have a number of friends on the faculty of either our local state university, area private colleges, or our local community college. All of them are full time employees. Adjunct, or part time professors, are usually hired to teach night classes, etc. They're not tenure track.
Sorry can not offer any data other then what I hear first hand. I am an Assoc Athletic Director at a D1 university and often chat with faculty members and they always talk about it and most of them are part time and paid by the credit.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:40 PM
 
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"A handful of schools, including Community College of Allegheny County in Pennsylvania and Youngstown State University in Ohio, have curbed the number of classes that adjuncts can teach in the current spring semester to limit the schools’ exposure to the health-insurance requirement."

You're talking about one community college and a no name university and calling this a trend? Places like that tend to hire lots of adjuncts anyway because they don't have to pay them benefits. They keep them at a couple of classes.
A....handful......of.......schools......including (two schools noted). Do I need to explain to you why your second paragraph does not accurately describe what the article claims?

And as I said before, even if this is only a few, it is NOT what Obamacare was designed to do. If colleges are doing this you can bet other places will be doing it also.
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