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late term abortions are done for medical reasons. do you think a pregnant mother with a baby suffering from one of many severe life threatening conditions should just have to have the baby anyway and let "nature" take it's course? why is something as personal and private be any of your concern. wishing late term abortion didn't happen is one thing and if you really wanted to stop it, go into medicine and figure out a way to cure the deathly problems that arise and the need may be lessened.
stay out of another woman's womb it isn't your business
Do you think the parent of a child suffering from one of many servere life threatening conditions should have the right to kill the child?
This isn't about the mother's womb. That's just the excuse for killing the child.
If one would not kill a born child with the same conditions, why would one kill an unborn child with those conditions and use people staying out of the mother's womb as an excuse? Just because they can?
We really need to decide when it is and when it is not ok to kill a human being. What justifies killing them and what doesn't? In the cases you are talking about the fact the baby is not yet born and the mother can use the line "It's my body" (never mind the body being destroyed is not hers) is just the excuse for something you would not do to a born child.
What exactly? Are you up to date on this legislation? You would be alone.
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Nothing "complex" about it.
Your "think progress" load of crap link that you refer to left out the fact that Florida allows abortions up to 24 weeks.
Babies can be viable at 22 weeks, with a lot of help, but still viable. Rate of survival isn't great, but it isn't 0%.
Wanna go for 24 weeks? EVEN MORE viable.
22 Weeks: Less than 10% of babies born at 22 weeks live to NICU discharge.
23 Weeks: Survival varies greatly. Between 1/4 and 2/3 of babies born at this gestational age will survive. 24 Weeks: About 1/2 to 3/4 of babies will live.
25 Weeks: Up to 85% of babies will survive.
26 Weeks: 80% to 93% of babies born at this gestational age will live.
Please provide a link to that data. The latest large study does not support the numbers you posted, so I'd be very curious to see your source. Thanks.
I was curious to see how long the OP and her band of supporters would continue on with this thread, as facts are no too important apparently. For anyone following along at home Planned Parenthood withdrew their opposition to HB1129 on 04/04, and the reasons why are quite complex. And for clarification, the official PP position is to provide all medical care necessary if an infant survives an abortion procedure, but please don't let that fact get in the way of histrionics.
This is a very telling comment after your article----- Just what some pro-choice people REALLY think. Why let poor people breed indiscriminately? That is why some pro-choice people think we need abortions. The poor should not be allowed to breed and the Republicans want them to breed so they can be slaves. WHAT AN IDIOT.
Comment">Barbara Williams · Top Commenter I will never understand why it is that people who so obviously hate poor people want them to breed indiscriminately. The only possible explanation is slavery.
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Just a very small portion of abortions are for this problem. Most are on perfectly healthy babies.
The problem isn't personal if tax payers are told to pay for it. Stay out of people's bank accounts.
The bold print above is a lie. late term abortions are not done on healthy infants. taxes? we don't get a say where our tax dollar goes. stay on topic.
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By that "logic" it is none of your business if a serial killer murders a stranger.
Are you going to advocate for the repeal of murder laws?
Society is harmed when we destroy our most vulnerable and dependant members.
We are also killing our future.
Abortion supporters don't think about that - they only care about themselves.
serial killers are off topic and are not related to this thread no matter how much you try to string it together. in the case of a late term abortion where a mother has decided to abort her baby due to severe birth defects is a no win situation and a heartbreaking reality for too many. again MYOB
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Do you think the parent of a child suffering from one of many servere life threatening conditions should have the right to kill the child? a child already born is not the same as one in utero. I do not support murdering a child with disabilities, no.
This isn't about the mother's womb. That's just the excuse for killing the child.
If one would not kill a born child with the same conditions, why would one kill an unborn child with those conditions and use people staying out of the mother's womb as an excuse? Just because they can?
We really need to decide when it is and when it is not ok to kill a human being. What justifies killing them and what doesn't? In the cases you are talking about the fact the baby is not yet born and the mother can use the line "It's my body" (never mind the body being destroyed is not hers) is just the excuse for something you would not do to a born child.
the agony of a late term abortion is most often of a very wanted child. every woman (and man) has a right to privacy in their medical issues. pregnancy is a medical issue and can be life or death for either the mom or the baby.
when a mother is faced with late term abortion she makes her choice for her situation and her life. she has every right to terminate if that is what she feels the best thing.
The bold print above is a lie. late term abortions are not done on healthy infants. taxes? we don't get a say where our tax dollar goes. stay on topic.
serial killers are off topic and are not related to this thread no matter how much you try to string it together. in the case of a late term abortion where a mother has decided to abort her baby due to severe birth defects is a no win situation and a heartbreaking reality for too many. again MYOB
the agony of a late term abortion is most often of a very wanted child. every woman (and man) has a right to privacy in their medical issues. pregnancy is a medical issue and can be life or death for either the mom or the baby.
when a mother is faced with late term abortion she makes her choice for her situation and her life. she has every right to terminate if that is what she feels the best thing.
stay out of other women's wombs!
Tell PP to stop taking tax payers money to do abortions and the argument would be mute. They are the largest abortion provider around.
Again, this thread is not about abortions it's about what happens to babies born alive after a botched abortion. Seems many do not even want to think about it. They don't want to give an answer, let the baby die or get the baby medical help.
The PP woman said it was up to the woman and family, so if the woman and family want the baby to be left alone to die than that is what will happen. She never said----the baby is now born and if left to die it would be infanticide. How hard is that to say?
This is a very telling comment after your article----- Just what some pro-choice people REALLY think. Why let poor people breed indiscriminately? That is why some pro-choice people think we need abortions. The poor should not be allowed to breed and the Republicans want them to breed so they can be slaves. WHAT AN IDIOT.
Comment">Barbara Williams · Top Commenter I will never understand why it is that people who so obviously hate poor people want them to breed indiscriminately. The only possible explanation is slavery.
So, some idiot posts an idiot comment, what the heck does that have to do with this topic?
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Please provide a link to the latest large study. See, this can go on forever. It's just a way to distract from the thread topic when one is losing.
The proportion of these babies who were alive at the start of labour ranged from 57% of the babies born at 22 weeks to 81% of the babies born at 26 weeks.
Overall, one-third of these 3,133 babies survived to the time of hospital discharge, with survival rates increasing with the age of the baby:
2% (3) of babies born at 22 weeks
19% (66) of babies born at 23 weeks
40% (178) of babies born at 24 weeks
66% (346) of babies born at 25 weeks
77% (448) of babies born at 26 weeks
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I thought the left NEVER used children to get their message across?
Again, what does this have to do with the topic of this thread?
Also, you might want to note that the survival figures are just until time of discharge from the hospital, and many (if not most) of those born at the earliest gestational ages have serious ongoing medical conditions, including brain damage and eye problems associated with immaturity at birth.
Tell PP to stop taking tax payers money to do abortions and the argument would be mute. They are the largest abortion provider around.
Again, this thread is not about abortions it's about what happens to babies born alive after a botched abortion. Seems many do not even want to think about it. They don't want to give an answer, let the baby die or get the baby medical help.
The PP woman said it was up to the woman and family, so if the woman and family want the baby to be left alone to die than that is what will happen. She never said----the baby is now born and if left to die it would be infanticide. How hard is that to say?
what is it about you not being able to dictate where your tax dollar goes, do you no understand?
a woman terminating a pregnancy late term is getting medical help that she and her doctor have decided is the best thing for her and her situation. what happens during and after the abortion is none of your business. all legal late term abortions are handled with proper procedures. how the family handles their loss is not your business
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Just because they can? 
we don't get a say where our tax dollar goes. stay on topic.
