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I agree. If you think that claiming Jesus as your Savior gives you a license to sin then you've used your 'salvation' to keep sinning. Jesus looks at the heart.
Making the "claim" means nothing if the heart is not changed. Whoever follows Christ is a new person, and old sinner is dead. This is what being "dead to sin" means, because the desire to live in habitual and willful is dead.
'Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come:The old has gone, the new is here!'
'What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer'
Yes, He was meant to be betrayed, so Judas had a purpose. Of course Jesus said of Judas that it would have been better if he had not been born.
So we would have no place to second guess his choices?
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It was a reply to your comment where you basically said you are not willing to comment.
How in the world do you get me saying that I wasn't going to question him translated into I wasn't going to comment?
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Originally Posted by pknopp
It's really not my place to question what Jesus would have done. I wouldn't even question it if he asked an unrepentant sinner to follow him because I wouldn't even pretend to know what the future held.
So we would have no place to second guess his choices?
How in the world do you get me saying that I wasn't going to question him translated into I wasn't going to comment?
It's cool if you do not have an opinon on the issue, or if you are afraid that your opinon would be taken as "second guessing" or "questioning" Jesus. No worries.
It's cool if you do not have an opinon on the issue, or if you are afraid that your opinon would be taken as "second guessing" or "questioning" Jesus. No worries.
Yes, my opinion is that I would not second guess Jesus's choices. I do recall in the Bible where one does question him on the choices he made.
Yes, we are all sinners, but the the question was about a person who was an unrepentent sinner, who was still practicing his sin habitually and willfully with no intention of stopping. Would Jesus have chosen such person to represent Him? The obvious answer is no, because such person rejects Jesus and salvation.
So, this individual, who flatly rejects Christ, by unrepentant sin, would not be "representative" , and thus, not alloed to "follow" Christ. I see. Well, phrased that way, it makes sense, I reckon. Yet, Jesus still forgives, even tbe "unrepentant". Salvation could still be given, even to the most, seemingly, hopeless of sinners. Christ is saddened by those who profess rejection of Him, yet He offered no judgement, on the Fathers behalf, in this world. His Love is pure. Even for those who reject Him. Above all, hope is given even the worst of sinners.
These threads, that insinuate judgement, for specific sins, are rather shortsighted, however. His message is not one of judvement and damnation. But of hope. Even for the worst among men. Hope until death.
making the "claim" means nothing if the heart is not changed. Whoever follows christ is a new person, and old sinner is dead. This is what being "dead to sin" means, because the desire to live in habitual and willful is dead.
'therefore, if anyone is in christ, the new creation has come:the old has gone, the new is here!'
'what shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer'
amen
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