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In other words, your perspective is that those uppity working poor should shut up and keep their heads down and just allow whatever abuse of power the wealth deem them worthy of. That is, of course, a morally offensive perspective that you're supporting. I'm one of those unique liberals that never bought into the open door policy that prevailed, but to be fair, today's Republicans are perfectly happy to allow farm workers to cross through the open door, as long as they can pay them slave wages, depressing the prevailing wages of American workers in that industry, incidentally. Regardless, the way things are today are the way things are today, so we all have to live with it and come up with a way forward that first and foremost is a reflection of basic human decency, and then also works out financially.
Hint to greed-mongers: Stop being self-absorbed and demeaning to those who are getting a raw deal. Can we stop with such pointlessly rude exhortations now?
So you think we should establish a system wherein, in the case where people who price themselves out of the labor market and make it more cost effective to use machines than people, we should then use totalitarian government tactics to force employers to use overpriced labor because of some liberal warped interpretation of what is "right and wrong".
Every time I think liberal thinking cannot become more irrational, some LSD baby proves me wrong.
The truth is the labor market has now changed, and it will never return to where it was. Much of that change is due to a combination of conservative greed for cheap labor, and liberal idiocracy concerning the effects of illegal immigration on the working class workers that the liberals have always pretended to care about.
We have now reached an evolutionary stage in employment where labor is cheap and workers outnumber jobs to a degree that free market forces now dictate that the unskilled and uneducated can no longer support themselves on their meager wages.
The people who have been ranting for years about illegal immigration have been warning you people all along that this was the logical outcome of the importation of 20 million new workers.
So now we have the gnashing of teeth and whining and crying about what anyone with a 6th grade education should have seen from the beginning. The working class is screwed, and no amount of totalitarian government regulation can fix the situation that exists.
People with ambition need to adopt the educational and work habits of the Japanese in order to get ahead, and the slackers of society are simply doomed to live a life of poverty. That is reality. It is the reality we have created through our own stupidity. It is what we deserve, so stop crying and deal with it
So you think we should establish a system wherein, in the case where people who price themselves out of the labor market and make it more cost effective to use machines than people, we should then use totalitarian government tactics to force employers to use overpriced labor because of some liberal warped interpretation of what is "right and wrong".
So you think we should go along with the marginalization of human beings in the interest of corporate profits and initiate the death squads led by Rand Paul and his band of gun rights crusaders to keep the costs of maintaining a reasonable social safety net viable?
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Every time I think liberal thinking cannot become more irrational, some LSD baby proves me wrong.
Every time I think right-wing thinking cannot become more immoral and anti-social, some self-centered greed-monger proves me wrong.
Can we dispense with such inane comments now? Or do you want to have another go?
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The truth is the labor market has now changed, and it will never return to where it was.
Correct. It is society's obligation to solve the problem, ensuring along the way that each person is afforded the worth and dignity inherent in being human, without trying to hide behind lame excuse such as what you've posted. "Oh, it is so hard to figure out how to make the numbers add up." Stuff it: Stop making excuses for immoral behavior. Doing what's right is more important than doing what's easy.
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Much of that change is due to a combination of conservative greed for cheap labor, and liberal idiocracy concerning the effects of illegal immigration on the working class workers that the liberals have always pretended to care about.
A claim easily disposed of as a lie by simply pointing to the reports that Republicans were more than happy to reach an agreement on immigration reform, as long as they could pay those on farm visas less than prevailing wages. As it is, I have never supported the kind of open immigration you referred to. I guess I'm not a liberal in your eyes.
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We have now reached an evolutionary stage in employment where labor is cheap and workers outnumber jobs to a degree that free market forces now dictate that the unskilled and uneducated can no longer support themselves on their meager wages.
But you're unwilling to admit that that results in an unacceptable condition of the first order - "of the first order" meaning that resolving that problem - and thereby assuring society respects and serves the tenets of human decency - takes precedence over the petty concerns that money-blinded Republicans babble on and on about.
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The working class is screwed, and no amount of totalitarian government regulation can fix the situation that exists.
Stop making excuses. If you don't have a solution, then get out of the way and let the people who care about other people address the issue. Your self-serving nonsense claiming that they don't know how is nothing but FUD.
So you think we should go along with the marginalization of human beings in the interest of corporate profits and initiate the death squads led by Rand Paul and his band of gun rights crusaders to keep the costs of maintaining a reasonable social safety net viable?
Every time I think right-wing thinking cannot become more immoral and anti-social, some self-centered greed-monger proves me wrong.
Can we dispense with such inane comments now? Or do you want to have another go?
Correct. It is society's obligation to solve the problem, ensuring along the way that each person is afforded the worth and dignity inherent in being human, without trying to hide behind lame excuse such as what you've posted. "Oh, it is so hard to figure out how to make the numbers add up." Stuff it: Stop making excuses for immoral behavior. Doing what's right is more important than doing what's easy.
A claim easily disposed of as a lie by simply pointing to the reports that Republicans were more than happy to reach an agreement on immigration reform, as long as they could pay those on farm visas less than prevailing wages. As it is, I have never supported the kind of open immigration you referred to. I guess I'm not a liberal in your eyes.
But you're unwilling to admit that that results in an unacceptable condition of the first order - "of the first order" meaning that resolving that problem - and thereby assuring society respects and serves the tenets of human decency - takes precedence over the petty concerns that money-blinded Republicans babble on and on about.
Stop making excuses. If you don't have a solution, then get out of the way and let the people who care about other people address the issue. Your self-serving nonsense claiming that they don't know how is nothing but FUD.
OK genius, ball is in your court, go fix it! LOL
Or better yet how about at least becoming financially independent yourself, so as not to be another recipient of the system.
Truth is you are a dreamer without a grasp on reality. I on the other hand have been there and done that, and have the wealth to show for it. I did not sit back and claim I was entitled to what I had not earned; I educated myself, took the risks and played the game to win.
The fact is, if you have what it takes to succeed, the system we have in place works very well. If you are a slacker with their hand out looking to make a middle income wage for minimum wage work, you are a loser who deserves the bitter life you live.
conservatives hate poor people. They believe that poor people are immoral, lazy, irresponsible, etc.
They believe that poor people get too much undeserved benefits from the government, etc.
Poor people are one of the groups that conservatives demonize.
Iamme, all I hear is a bunch of hatred from the left demanding to take from the rich when in fact Obama's definition of rich is not accurate. He doesn't even know the difference between high income and wealthy. Obama and the Dems know you do not know the difference and uses that ignorance to his advantage.
There is something wrong with using the middle class and poor against the people who nothing to do with big bankers and big business. It is just wrong.
conservatives hate poor people. They believe that poor people are immoral, lazy, irresponsible, etc.
They believe that poor people get too much undeserved benefits from the government, etc.
Poor people are one of the groups that conservatives demonize.
When you grow up you will learn something called the "pin spotter theory". The pin spotter theory states that in life we all end up exactly where we belong, like the pins in a bowling lane.
We are all our own worst enemy and losing or winning depends not on the actions of others, but on our own actions.
The world is a hard cruel place, and to succeed is not an entitlement. It is something that is earned. People today are raised in a liberal environment where they believe everyone is supposed to get a trophy for just participating. That is not how the real world works; only the winners get trophies.
It is not that productive people hate slackers; they just do not want to have to support them.
Everyone is free to live their lives the way they please, just do not expect others to pay for your bad decisions.
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