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Old 04-12-2013, 11:50 PM
 
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Can you dispute that?
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Old 04-12-2013, 11:53 PM
 
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At the moment of fertilization you had all the DNA you ever needed. I would say that is the definition of a person.


Unless that DNA is lacking.

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Old 04-13-2013, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Every abortion is a tragedy.
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Old 04-13-2013, 12:00 AM
 
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At the moment of fertilization you had all the DNA you ever needed. I would say that is the definition of a person.
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So does your toenail clippings.
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You won't get a baby out of it.
Actually in the not too distant future, we probably could.

You don't appear to understand that an undifferentiated blastocyst has the potential to become a person, but it is not a person.
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Old 04-13-2013, 12:02 AM
 
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Actually in the not too distant future, we probably could.

You don't appear to understand that an undifferentiated blastocyst has the potential to become a person, but it is not a person.
Sperm has the potential to create life, is masturbation murder??
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Old 04-13-2013, 12:07 AM
 
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Sperm has the potential to create life, is masturbation murder??
Some religious zealots have thought along those lines.
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Old 04-13-2013, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Rome, Georgia
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Trying to understand your point here. Genetic defiencies validate abortions? I get that you are saying that not all pregnancies result in a fully functional human being. But it almost seems as though you would advocate ending those pregnancies first?

I have never really understood how the abortion issue is so divisive. There seem to be some really clear principles.

1) The forceful taking of human life is called murder.

2) Murder is wrong.

Pretty simple. I suppose it comes down to what point it is called a human life. The heartbeat? The joining of the cells? Birth?

I would be much more accepting of the morning after pill in a situation where someone made a mistake than I would a partial birth abortion, as long as the same person did not continue to make the same mistake over and over agian.. Partial birth is unacceptable. Too late, you obviously are carrying another human being that you took part in creating. Your body is on loan due to your own choices.

This issue is so polarized that niether side will give ground. It will be impossible to ever reach a consensus until people look at the issue reasonably. There has to be a certain point in the progression of life that a person is considered such. I personally think it's pretty early.
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Old 04-13-2013, 12:12 AM
 
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Some religious zealots have thought along those lines.
50% of fetuses agree with you
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Old 04-13-2013, 12:17 AM
 
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Trying to understand your point here. Genetic defiencies validate abortions? I get that you are saying that not all pregnancies result in a fully functional human being. But it almost seems as though you would advocate ending those pregnancies first?

I have never really understood how the abortion issue is so divisive. There seem to be some really clear principles.

1) The forceful taking of human life is called murder.

2) Murder is wrong.

Pretty simple. I suppose it comes down to what point it is called a human life. The heartbeat? The joining of the cells? Birth?

I would be much more accepting of the morning after pill in a situation where someone made a mistake than I would a partial birth abortion, as long as the same person did not continue to make the same mistake over and over agian.. Partial birth is unacceptable. Too late, you obviously are carrying another human being that you took part in creating. Your body is on loan due to your own choices.

This issue is so polarized that niether side will give ground. It will be impossible to ever reach a consensus until people look at the issue reasonably. There has to be a certain point in the progression of life that a person is considered such. I personally think it's pretty early.
Only about 1000 late term abortions are performed in the US per year. Almost all of those were because of severe abnormalities where the fetus would not have lived anyway.
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Old 04-13-2013, 12:17 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Trying to understand your point here. Genetic defiencies validate abortions? I get that you are saying that not all pregnancies result in a fully functional human being. But it almost seems as though you would advocate ending those pregnancies first?

I have never really understood how the abortion issue is so divisive. There seem to be some really clear principles.

1) The forceful taking of human life is called murder.

2) Murder is wrong.

Pretty simple. I suppose it comes down to what point it is called a human life. The heartbeat? The joining of the cells? Birth?

I would be much more accepting of the morning after pill in a situation where someone made a mistake than I would a partial birth abortion, as long as the same person did not continue to make the same mistake over and over agian.. Partial birth is unacceptable. Too late, you obviously are carrying another human being that you took part in creating. Your body is on loan due to your own choices.

This issue is so polarized that niether side will give ground. It will be impossible to ever reach a consensus until people look at the issue reasonably. There has to be a certain point in the progression of life that a person is considered such. I personally think it's pretty early.
My point is that some pregnancies are so genetically defective, they die within hours of birth anyway. Why does a woman need to go through the risks and costs of carrying a defective baby that will die after birth?
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