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Old 04-22-2013, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Why has no state implemented a universal background check? I have asked you this at least 7 or 8 times and you keep dodging the question. It doesn't make any sense to have laws if you do not enforce them.
Can't enforce a law that doesn't exist.
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:43 AM
 
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If you buy from a private dealer, in a face to face transaction, no background check is required. That has nothing to do with gun shows.
You buy from a private party at a gun show. Yet you claim "that has nothing to do with gun shows."

Have you ever been to a gun show? People walk around with weapons on their back and "for sale" signs. People sell them in the parking lots out of the back of their vehicle.

But I guess you'll be telling me "that has nothing to do with gun shows."

That aside, if we had universal background checks for every weapon sale, new or used, private or from a dealer, then this discussion would be academic.

If you purchase a car, new or used, whether through a dealer or a private party, that sale must be reported by the seller to your state's motor vehicle department. This is also true for certain dangerous and toxic chemicals and commodities. The same sort of system should be instituted for all firearms.
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:45 AM
 
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Why would it, when you can drive to other states to make a purchase in an hour.
That is illegal and a felony.

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How many guns, in the US, are bought from a private dealer? BTW, the term "gun show loophole" also refers to the type of sale you described.
I don't know how many are bought from private parties.

When people use the term "gun show loophole" they are usually referring to gun shows and not private party transactions. They seem to be under the impression that gun shows are somehow exempt from all the other laws. I assumed you meant the same as well.
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Why would it, when you can drive to other states to make a purchase in an hour.


Or you can save some time by just stealing them or buying them from an unauthorized seller who also ignores gun laws.
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:49 AM
 
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You buy from a private party at a gun show. Yet you claim "that has nothing to do with gun shows."

Have you ever been to a gun show? People walk around with weapons on their back and "for sale" signs. People sell them in the parking lots out of the back of their vehicle.

But I guess you'll be telling me "that has nothing to do with gun shows."

That aside, if we had universal background checks for every weapon sale, new or used, private or from a dealer, then this discussion would be academic.

If you purchase a car, new or used, whether through a dealer or a private party, that sale must be reported by the seller to your state's motor vehicle department. This is also true for certain dangerous and toxic chemicals and commodities. The same sort of system should be instituted for all firearms.
It has nothing to do with gun shows. I can buy from a private party an Chili's, but that doesn't mean there is a Chili's loophole. I can also buy from a private party at their house, my house, a dealer shop, the police station, etc.

First you were complaining there is no universal background check and now you are complaining that guns aren't registered. I figured that was the ultimate goal...

Why has no state implemented a universal background check?
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Oh I see! Since they are criminals already, we should allow them to purchase a gun legally without submitting to a background check. Makes perfect sense.


(see war on drugs)
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:50 AM
 
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Can't enforce a law that doesn't exist.
That doesn't explain why all the other laws aren't enforced. You're still dodging my question.

Why has no state implemented a universal background check?
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Florida
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That is illegal and a felony.
It is also the easiest way to get a hold of one, because the seller is not required to verify your home state. This is actually something that a background check requirment would slow down, because the seller would have to complete the transaction at a local dealer who would run the background check.
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Or you can save some time by just stealing them or buying them from an unauthorized seller who also ignores gun laws.
I would have trouble finding such seller.
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Why has no state implemented a universal background check?
There are states which require a licence to buy one, and the background checks are a part of aquiring the licence. Is that what you are asking?
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