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Old 05-17-2013, 10:00 AM
 
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These political parties are getting government handouts on out right falsehoods.
And now we are down to arguing for guilty before proving yourself innocent. I would quit digging if I was you.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:01 AM
 
Location: State of Superior
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yep, you are right. Obama does this type of thing for the exact reason you mention because he has the audience. The uninformed heard Obama fired someone and the others who are paying attention look to liberal media to defend it.
Ya, they all do it.....look at Cheney ( Bush's brain ) He always had an answer to cover up jus about what he wanted, and, make falsehoods seem real, for the unknowing. You come up with the perfict politation , and I will vote for him or her........and, you are NOT going to find it in the Tea Party , what a bunch of loosers !
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yet you are assigning motive in your headline. It seems you don't understand the meaning of the words you are using to discuss this issue.

The Treasury investigated this incident. They have a report. No where in that report is there any mention of targeting conservatives, or attempting to hurt conservatives, or anything of the sort. You are going to witch hunt people and impugn their motives and deny that you are impugning their motives.

A mistake can be made in the IRS or the government and it not be a nefarious plot, bad management and bad policy can happen without it being a President Obamaspiracy.
Didn't I post that this is what the headlines say today ?

Geeze..go read the impeachment threads. I'm not there with my pom poms hoping Obama gets impeached.
And for all these scandals I have posted that so far nothing illegal has been uncovered.

There's lots of people between Obama and the rogue IRS workers in Cincinnati, DC and CA.
Any one of them in between could have initiated this for whatever reason.
Until you find that person and they admit their motive all this is speculation on our part.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:06 AM
 
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So the head of the IRS does not believe it's illegal to target individuals with a particular political position.

IRS Commissioner: Activity 'Absolutely Not Illegal'

Hopefully someone soon gets to ask Obama if he agree's here or not and if not what do we do about an organization that doesn't understand that?

IRS Commissioner: Activity 'Absolutely Not Illegal' | The Weekly Standard
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:08 AM
 
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IRS official denies intentional political targeting, lying to Congress - CNN.com


9/10 I'm right: never blame on malice what can first be blamed on incompetence.

There will be much finger pointing, blaming, and spin.. .but at the end of the day I bet this is where it ends up:
Miller described an IRS division that handles requests for tax exempt status by political groups as overwhelmed by a surge that followed the Supreme Court's 2010 Citizens United decision, which greatly expanded the ability of corporations, unions and other organizations to participate in election spending, though not through direct contributions to candidates or parties.
"I think that what happened here was that foolish mistakes were made by people who were trying to be more efficient in their workload selection," Miller said, calling the practices described in the inspector general's report as "intolerable" and a "mistake," but "not an act of partisanship."
He apologized for what he later called "horrible customer service," but he also stubbornly rejected any accusation that it amounted to politicizing the work of the IRS.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:13 AM
 
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So the head of the IRS does not believe it's illegal to target individuals with a particular political position.

IRS Commissioner: Activity 'Absolutely Not Illegal'

Hopefully someone soon gets to ask Obama if he agree's here or not and if not what do we do about an organization that doesn't understand that?

IRS Commissioner: Activity 'Absolutely Not Illegal' | The Weekly Standard
Individuals? What individuals?

These were organizations, applying for tax-exempt status, that Congress requires the IRS to review to determine that they are not political organizations. The fact that you keep on telling us that these organizations have a political position only supports the IRS deciding to investigate them. These organizations aren't supposed to engage themselves in politics. If they are political organizations, they can't get the tax exemption.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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If you you dont care about motive then why exactly do you keep claiming that they admitted to motive that they have specifically said they didnt do ? The easiest way to to back up what you just said is to stop making the claim.
Did the IRS not admit they targeted conservative groups with Tea Party and other rightwing names ?
How is that not political in nature ?
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:16 AM
 
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Individuals? What individuals?
That was the question.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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For all you folks defending the IRS. Just remember that unless the Dems stage a coupe and take over there could be a Republican in the Oval office one day and leftwing groups could end up with this same "bad customer service".

Don't think it's not possible because if it's brushed away now it will set a precedent for being brushed away in the future.

Some are using this as a witch hunt against Obama and that's clouding what happened here.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Individuals? What individuals?

These were organizations, applying for tax-exempt status, that Congress requires the IRS to review to determine that they are not political organizations. The fact that you keep on telling us that these organizations have a political position only supports the IRS deciding to investigate them. These organizations aren't supposed to engage themselves in politics. If they are political organizations, they can't get the tax exemption.
There was an individual I read about yesterday. He made a big donation.
And then got audited personally twice and his business got audited for several past years.


IRS Suspicion Widens: GOP Donors Question Audits - ABC News
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