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Old 05-17-2013, 06:00 AM
 
Location: Chattanooga, TN
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Good argument, but it'll never work. The ultra-rich "conservative" radio talk-show hosts have convinced all their mindless followers (most of whom are lower middle class at best) that if the government reduces their income to ONLY $19,900,000 per year instead of the previous $20,000,000 per year they'll be destitute and have no choice but to fire $100,000 worth of workers to "make ends meet". At the wages they pay out, that'll be about 6-7 people without a job.

The disconnect from a poverty-level minimum wage worker saying that his millionaire boss needs a tax cut is almost impossible for a sane person to wrap their mind around.

The people who have most benefited from a society should be responsible for most of the work of sustaining it.
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Old 05-17-2013, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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I noticed the word " WORK" somewhere Jefferson's remarks.
That word is anathema to Democrats.
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Old 05-17-2013, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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A powerful centralized govt is important in the modern global marketplace. Do you folks honestly believe other countries don't use their govts to secure global power?

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Those are two unrelated topics.

And no, a powerful centralized government is not necessary in the modern global marketplace.

Competing in a global marketplace and having a Nanny State are unrelated topics.
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Old 05-17-2013, 06:18 AM
 
Location: MW
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There was no income tax back then, hack. I never hear anyone complain about certain property taxes.

If you hate the principles this country was founded on, why are you still here? Hypocritical wuss.
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Old 05-17-2013, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia Area
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You hear conservatives babble a lot of nonsense about what they image the founding fathers believed or what they wanted. Frankly, we put to much store in what a fractious group of wealthy men in the 18th century believed but even listen to what they had to say they almost ALWAYS say the exact opposite of what conservatives and libertarians falsely believe they said. For instance, let's take a look at Thomas Jefferson (our 3rd President and the man who wrote the Declaration of Independence) about the destructive effects of income inequality, what actions the government should take to help reduce income inequality, as well as what he thought was a good tax structure. Hint: Liberals will like it while conservatives will no doubt continue to deny the reality of what the man said.



Brad DeLong : Thomas Jefferson on Wealth Inequality

So Jefferson says that protecting the middle class is the most important thing for a healthy democracy, that the poor should be exempted from paying any taxes, and that the government should progressively tax the wealthy at higher rates the richer they are. That it should be government policy to eleveate poverty and the poor should even receive free handouts in the form of freeland for the poor to farm. That's almost exactly what liberals have been advocating for the last century and the exact opposite of what regressive right wingers are constantly demanding.
Thomas Jefferson was just recognizing natural law or natural human justice that Catholic Social teaching also recognizes. I mean I'm a right wing sedevacantist Roman Catholic who does not believe in post French Revolution Masonic "Democracy" that excludes God from public life. Me and Thomas Jefferson would agree on very little when it comes to government but in this he is correct. When you have a small percentage of people controlling almost the majority of all wealth or capital while millions do not have employment or adequate employment and lack proper dental and/or healthcare than you have an economy that is not functioning correctly and needs to be adjusted. I mean this new "global" economy that we are in now is completely and totally dysfunctional. The levels of unemployment around the different countries and disparity of wealth in this and other countries has reached staggering proportions that just should not be. Thomas Jefferson knew this not because he was liberal but because he could see through reason that this should not be so.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Income and wealth Inequality.
again the IGNORANT fascsist liberals cant THINK FOR THEMSELVES


why should anything be EQUAL

people are NOT EQUAL


why should the WORST mechanic in twon be paid the same as the BEST mechanic in town


why should a SLACKER be just as well off as a GO GETTER

why do liberals want to PUNISH SUCCESS


liberals policies kill the middleclass


why do liberals hate the middle class????...why...becasue in the liberal dreamworld of their utopia...you have TWO classes....the poor selfs getting welfare scraps for the votes they give the rich liberal masters



liberalism is a mental disorder
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:35 AM
 
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A powerful centralized govt is important in the modern global marketplace. Do you folks honestly believe other countries don't use their govts to secure global power?

Jefferson could have never predicted globalization.
Really?

British Empire ring a bell.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:58 AM
 
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Here the crickets... chirp, chirp, chirp...

This thread is going to sink faster than the Titanic. Too bad.

here the crickets here the crickets everywhere a cricket cricket
old mcdonald had no land e-i-e-i-o
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:13 AM
 
Location: NC
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The Founding Fathers were alive during some unprecedented income and wealth inequality in Europe, and many were outspoken against it. Basically it was "rational" thought to have a balanced, healthy economy, and rational thinking was...how do you say...commonplace among many of America's earliest "philosophers."

And yes, it was noticeable (wealth inequalities) in the colonies, but was more equitable then many European countries at the time.

And in 1789 Jefferson's fears of instability caused from inequality became evident in France (who had a very regressive tax system, bad economy, and corrupt government/upper class). We all know how that ended...
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The Founding Fathers were alive during some unprecedented income and wealth inequality in Europe, and many were outspoken against it. Basically it was "rational" thought to have a balanced, healthy economy, and rational thinking was...how do you say...commonplace among many of America's earliest "philosophers."

And yes, it was noticeable (wealth inequalities) in the colonies, but was more equitable then many European countries at the time.

And in 1789 Jefferson's fears of instability caused from inequality became evident in France (who had a very regressive tax system, bad economy, and corrupt government/upper class). We all know how that ended...
My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.

Thomas Jefferson

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To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

Thomas Jefferson

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