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Old 05-30-2013, 04:14 AM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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I've been saying it over and over again. The US is no longer the preferred destination for young European immigrants and instead both Canada and Australia are seen as the promised land where millions of EU citizens move to. Check out this video about young people leaving Ireland, notice how none of them are going to the US:

BBC News - Youth emigration 'devastating' for Irish economy

From talking with some friends who moved from Germany to Canada a few years back and from reading threads online I hear, over and over, that the US immigration and work visa policies are so strict it just is too hard so many don't bother. They also see it as a major positive that both Canada and Australia have true universal single payer health care where as the US is seen as backwards for not having single payer.

What are your experiences and if you have any links with more information I would love to see them.
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Old 05-30-2013, 04:24 AM
 
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Old 05-30-2013, 06:02 AM
 
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I would very much like to see the process of Europeans coming to America streamlined because it's a shame that we're losing all of these highly educated immigrants to other countries. comprehensive immigration reform would greatly improve the situation yet Republicans seem determined to prevent such common sense regulation changes from ever happening. Just another day for the party of obstructionism, I guess.
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Old 05-30-2013, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Our current immigration system effectively enslaves the new immigrants by either forcing them the stay with the importing employer or become illegal. We also make health care insurance nearly impossible to get at an affordable price for new immigrants. Mostly people immigrate to other countries because they get a better deal.

Sometimes I wonder if moving me and my family to Europe would not be more sensible than staying here.
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Old 05-30-2013, 07:05 AM
 
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I've been saying it over and over again. The US is no longer the preferred destination for young European immigrants and instead both Canada and Australia are seen as the promised land where millions of EU citizens move to. Check out this video about young people leaving Ireland, notice how none of them are going to the US:

BBC News - Youth emigration 'devastating' for Irish economy

From talking with some friends who moved from Germany to Canada a few years back and from reading threads online I hear, over and over, that the US immigration and work visa policies are so strict it just is too hard so many don't bother. They also see it as a major positive that both Canada and Australia have true universal single payer health care where as the US is seen as backwards for not having single payer.

What are your experiences and if you have any links with more information I would love to see them.
Well, unfortunately for USA in Europe there's a lot of bad press in Europe about crazy republican policies as well as gun fetish, religious wackos, auto-centric urban sprawl and other awful things.
But overall the majority of european people realize that there are sensible differences between progressive states and conservative ones... therefore I wouldn't say that europeans are no longer interested in the USA: California, NYC, New England (maybe Florida) are still attractive places for immigrants.
As far as my experience as european immigrant in USA (first Dallas then NYC) I could say that - while I loved NYC - I strongly disliked Texas: republican policies and conservative american culture are absolutely a cultural shock for a european
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Old 05-30-2013, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Regardless of what anyone says, there is basically only one reason a person would ever actually move to another country, better economic opportunities. Why else would so many people in Ireland be getting up and moving to Canada?

There are other factors that influence peoples decisions. Such as crime, weather, amenities, and many more. But those are almost always secondary to economics.

The truth is, Canada has a much healthier economy overall than the United States. Largely because it has become a resource-based economy. Australia is also a highly resource-based economy.

Moreover, when we talk about immigrants coming from Europe, we are talking about educated immigrants, because really, they are the only ones actually allowed to immigrate. An educated immigrant coming to America most likely has a good job lined up, which means they aren't going to have a difficult time getting healthcare. It is almost guaranteed to be provided by their employer. So it is doubtful that healthcare plays any major role in the decision of potential immigrants.


I would say, it probably has mostly to do with either the ease of immigrating to other countries, and possibly things like crime rates and "feeling comfortable". Canada is more culturally European than the United States.

The real question is, if you were a white European, why would you want to move to the United States over Canada? Better weather? Australia has better weather than the United States. The only reason I would pick the United States over another country, is if I was getting paid considerably more money than what I would be paid elsewhere.
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Old 05-30-2013, 07:09 AM
 
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Our immigration laws discriminate against them. Those who have job skills, and education and an ability to assimilate and to learn English are barred from coming here -- come here illegally, give birth here and you will be given your free pass, your easy US citizenship and all the welfare handouts you could ever have dreamed of.
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Old 05-30-2013, 07:11 AM
 
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I would very much like to see the process of Europeans coming to America streamlined because it's a shame that we're losing all of these highly educated immigrants to other countries. comprehensive immigration reform would greatly improve the situation yet Republicans seem determined to prevent such common sense regulation changes from ever happening. Just another day for the party of obstructionism, I guess.
If we truly need these highly educated immigrants from Europe because we have a shortage of Americans in certain vocational fields then I don't have a problem with it. The problem with the so-called CIR is that it would include legaliziing millions of the poor and uneducated here illegally from south of our border and we don't need them and they would and are a burden to our country. Eliminate that from the so-called CIR and then we can talk.
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Old 05-30-2013, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The H1b program makes it difficult for skilled profesionals to immigrate to the US? That is news to me.
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Old 05-30-2013, 07:16 AM
 
Location: texas
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Our current immigration system effectively enslaves the new immigrants by either forcing them the stay with the importing employer or become illegal. We also make health care insurance nearly impossible to get at an affordable price for new immigrants. Mostly people immigrate to other countries because they get a better deal.

Sometimes I wonder if moving me and my family to Europe would not be more sensible than staying here.
I'll through in 50 bucks to the cause.
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