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Old 06-07-2013, 06:09 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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From article posted by OP
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But, the president said, "My assessment, and my team’s assessment, was that they help us prevent terrorist attacks. And the modest encroachments on privacy that are involved in getting phone numbers, or duration [of calls] without a name attached, and without looking at content, that on net it was worth us doing."
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Obama underlined that "nobody is listening to your phone calls" in the broad NSA phone sweep, and that doing so would require a federal judge to sign off. As for the Internet surveillance, he said, it "does not apply to U.S. citizens and it does not apply to people living in the United States."
This has caught people like James Cromitie, Najibullah Zazi, Hosam Mahar Husein Smadi, Colleen LaRose, Abdul Farouk Abdulmutalab, Faisal Shahzad, Farooque Ahmed, Rezwan Ferdaus, Sami Osmakac, Amine El Khalifi, Mark Anthony Grady and Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis.

 
Old 06-07-2013, 06:11 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
Not according to the courts it would seem.

In the midst of revelations that the government has conducted extensive top-secret surveillance operations to collect domestic phone records and internet communications, the Justice Department was due to file a court motion Friday in its effort to keep secret an 86-page court opinion that determined that the government had violated the spirit of federal surveillance laws and engaged in unconstitutional spying.

Justice Department Fights Release of Secret Court Opinion Finding Unconstitutional Surveillance | Mother Jones
Why is this not a surprise.
 
Old 06-07-2013, 06:13 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Obama himself criticized Bush to no end, and then goes about expanding the very programs he won his election by opposing.
Exactly! and the key word here is "expanding" those very programs that he criticized so vehemently.
 
Old 06-07-2013, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Behind enemy lines
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Why is this not a surprise.
Other than be honest about something, there isn't a single thing this government could do that would surprise me anymore.
 
Old 06-07-2013, 06:16 PM
 
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Nice deflection. What's the point?
The point is that by continually using products from companies who are well known to have their head straight up the ass of the USG, you are feeding into the problem. There are plenty of alternatives to stay under the radar.

The U.S. is a joke in and of itself.
 
Old 06-07-2013, 06:17 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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And that's like saying a girl is only "modestly" pregnant.
To those that voted for Obama, you're now seeing some of what you "thought" you voted against come back in spades to bite ya in the butt.
 
Old 06-07-2013, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Obama himself criticized Bush to no end, and then goes about expanding the very programs he won his election by opposing.
We Libertarians have been warning that Obama was GWB on steroids. The left seems oblivious to the fact that he (Obama) has codified everything Bush started, yet they are dead quiet and in most cases defend it. Even Kusinich has come out saying this administration is trouncing the 1st amendment. He railed against the bank bailouts, money creation, and Libya. Look how Libya turned out.

When people start defending the IRS misuse of taxpayer information. When they cheer for penalizing select groups and individuals for their religion, party affiliation, and views, you know the smelly stuff is hitting the fans.
 
Old 06-07-2013, 06:20 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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And that's like saying a girl is only "modestly" pregnant.
To those that voted for Obama, you're now seeing some of what you "thought" you voted against come back in spades to bite ya in the butt.
Now?
this is nothing new.... our lives are no more or less different.
you guys are just paranoid and negative.
no matter what the president does you're going to complain
 
Old 06-07-2013, 06:33 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Now?
this is nothing new.... our lives are no more or less different.
you guys are just paranoid and negative.
no matter what the president does you're going to complain
So say you until they get to your door. You want to live in a state like this is becoming? Where everything you say or do is captured and if the government doesn't like either thing you're a target to go after, maybe with the IRS?

I'm sure Venezuela or Cuba has openings.
 
Old 06-07-2013, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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From article posted by OP




This has caught people like James Cromitie, Najibullah Zazi, Hosam Mahar Husein Smadi, Colleen LaRose, Abdul Farouk Abdulmutalab, Faisal Shahzad, Farooque Ahmed, Rezwan Ferdaus, Sami Osmakac, Amine El Khalifi, Mark Anthony Grady and Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis.
I took your first guy..Jame Cromitie.

Claims of FBI entrapment here. The FBI set him up after an FBI informant ratted on him.
Doesn't sound like any phone records "caught him" does it ?

2009 Bronx terrorism plot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm not going to go through each name but just throwing them out there with no "facts" means NOTHING.

Don't take everything you read in the MSM at face value.
There was also a Congressman defending this saying it help catch the Boston bombers.
How when the order got signed 4/25 and the bombing happened 4/15 ?
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