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Old 06-12-2013, 05:29 PM
 
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No, it doesn't. I have lots of friends and family that started with nothing. Some don't have a college degree, but they own their home and are doing fine.

Millions of Americans start with nothing and make a comfortable life for themselves.

yes people could do that 20 or 50 years ago...not as much opportunity today as there used to be.
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Old 06-12-2013, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Pa
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yes people could do that 20 or 50 years ago...not as much opportunity today as there used to be.
Why?
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Old 06-12-2013, 05:32 PM
 
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The children would suffer. It is that simple, so no we can not eliminate welfare benefits. What we can do is make it workfare. Let society get something in return for the money we spend.

there might be complaints from childless adults who would not have access to workfare. do you really want government to pick winners and losers in the job market?
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Old 06-12-2013, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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because no employer wants to hire someone with a useless liberal arts degree and no marketable skills for a job that requires an education.
A friend of mine started a house cleaning business 12 years ago. He had only an HS education and no money. He had an old run down car. But he wanted to work. He hired one assistant and they cleaned houses. I was one of his first customers. He grew his business gradually as he added customers and now has five house cleaning crews. He doesn't clean toilets anymore. Just runs his business. He's not rich, but he's not sucking on the government tit.

Just an example, but there are millions more that are making a living without government grants or loans or subsidies.

Yes, it can be done, but you have to have the desire.
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Old 06-12-2013, 05:34 PM
 
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Why?

taxes, regulation, reduced access to credit for business and entrepreneurs, sluggish economy
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Old 06-12-2013, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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yes people could do that 20 or 50 years ago...not as much opportunity today as there used to be.
Yes, there absolutely is. In fact, there is more opportunity now since we have so many leeches who refuse to work.

My children didn't start 20 or 50 years ago and they are doing fine.
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Old 06-12-2013, 05:36 PM
 
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A friend of mine started a house cleaning business 12 years ago. He had only an HS education and no money. He had an old run down car. But he wanted to work. He hired one assistant and they cleaned houses. I was one of his first customers. He grew his business gradually as he added customers and now has five house cleaning crews. He doesn't clean toilets anymore. Just runs his business. He's not rich, but he's not sucking on the government tit.

Just an example, but there are millions more that are making a living without government grants or loans or subsidies.

Yes, it can be done, but you have to have the desire.

it also helps (see above) if you have a vehicle and a license to drive.
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Old 06-12-2013, 05:36 PM
 
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No, it doesn't. I have lots of friends and family that started with nothing. Some don't have a college degree, but they own their home and are doing fine.

Millions of Americans start with nothing and make a comfortable life for themselves.
Yes it does. Your income can be predicted by the income of your father. Mexico is worse in this regard and Norway is better.

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shouldn't low-wage workers then have the increased range of housing options that reduced regulation would afford them?
Move. Trailer parks aren't illegal everywhere.
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Old 06-12-2013, 05:37 PM
 
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there might be complaints from childless adults who would not have access to workfare. do you really want government to pick winners and losers in the job market?
Do I really want to see billions paid out and no return?
WPA comes to mind and it worked pretty well.
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Old 06-12-2013, 05:37 PM
 
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Yes, there absolutely is. In fact, there is more opportunity now since we have so many leeches who refuse to work.

My children didn't start 20 or 50 years ago and they are doing fine.

there is opportunity if you have the right skills and money or access to money.
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