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Undoubtedly there were homosexuals in the ranks of Nazis. There are homosexuals in the ranks of every army. To cast the Nazis as a gay junta of sorts, however, is a game played by feeble minded bigots.
both the head and the second in command of the SA (a group that went around Germany beating up Jews) were openly gay.
to sum up why your argument is ludicrous
1. you can't compare the heads of the SA, to a private in the American army.
2. they were openly gay as opposed to the US army for example which would have you court marshaled
3. the SA was not just a army
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After all, there were plenty of Jewish collaborators, including Hitler himself, who many speculate was at least part Jewish.
1. a collaborators is not even close to the same thing as a leading perpetrator
2. there's way were more evidence that Hitler was gay than Jewish (for some reason the most people who think Hitler was Jewish also think there was no Gas Chambers)
3. there wasn't a single Openly Jewish Nazi, there were openly gay top ranking nazis
4. there is no such thing as a part Jew
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Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s. Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought--perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals.
If you don't understand the difference between Jews (most of who ) who were in the German army before the rise of Hitler and the leader of the group that rose Hitler to power you need more help than I thought
Next time you should do more research
this press release came out a few days later
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Mulders confirmed the misinterpretation of his account with the following statement to Family Tree DNA:
“I never wrote that Hitler was a Jew, or that he had a Jewish grandfather. I only wrote that Hitler's haplogroup is E1b1b, being more common among Berbers, Somalian people and Jews than among overall Germans. This, in order to convey that he was not exactly what during the Third Reich would have been called ‘Aryan.’ All the rest are speculations of journalists who didn't even take the trouble to read my article, although I had it translated to English especially for this purpose.
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Perhaps we can call the holocaust a "Jewish problem created by Jews, against Jews?" That would be stupid, right?
the first thing you said that I agree with thanks to the facts that were said above
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Keep burying your head in the sand, NY JEW.
My head is just fine yours is in quick sand
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I repeat RE: the Nazi theory:
Erik N. Jensen regards the authors' linkage of homosexuality and Nazism as the recurrence of a "pernicious myth", originating in 1930s attacks on Nazism by Socialists and Communists and "long since dispelled" by "serious scholarship".[5] Jensen sees the book as coming about in "the aftermath of an Oregon measure to repeal gay rights".[5] Dorthe Seifert cites it as a response to increasing awareness of Nazi persecution of homosexuals.[6] Christine L. Mueller argues that the historical record does not support Abrams' assertions.[7] Bob Moser, writing for the Southern Poverty Law Center, says the book was promoted by anti-gay groups and that historians agree its premise is "utterly false".[8]
I never quoted that book so this whole paragraph was a strawman argument
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Jonathan Zimmerman, an historian at New York University, wrote the claim that gay people helped bring Nazism to Germany "is a flat-out lie."
were Ernst Röhm and Edmund Heines gay?
did Ernst Röhm and Edmund Heines help bring Nazism to Germany?
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[9] Zimmerman, points out that "Between 1933 and 1945, the Nazis arrested roughly 100,000 men as homosexuals. Most convicted gays were sent to prison; between 5,000 and 15,000 were interned in concentration camps, where they wore pink triangles to signify their supposed crime."[9] He further notes, "To win their release from the camps, some gays were forced to undergo castration. Others were mutilated or murdered in so-called medical experiments by Nazi doctors, who insisted that homosexuality was a disease that could be 'cured'."[9]
completely irrelevant
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In addition, "Hitler authorized an edict in 1941 prescribing the death penalty for SS and police members found guilty of gay activity.
1. SS officers raped Jewish male inmates in the concentration camps
2. it was also illegal for any non-jew to have relations with a jew yet many SS officers raped Jewish woman.
Modern day examples that show an inverse relationship between the success of a country and the level of its sexual backwardness and hangups include the stark differences between any country in Europe v. the Middle East.
come back to me in 100 years when they are speaking Arabic in Western Europe.
I'm 100% sure there will not be gay "marriage" 2000 years from now.
that is where you will be wrong. sexuality will not be the same in 2000 years as it is now. Heck, we may be a whole different "human race" by that time. That is based on current human biology, sociology and development from the past 2000 years.
I don't know. But I have a strong hunch that will not be the case. Slavery was once accepted in this country. Women can vote; a hundred years ago they could not. Capital punishment is no longer done in most western nations. We don't have colored water fountains anymore. Human rights advance within progressive cultures. No amount of wishing that isn't the case will make it not so. You are living in another dimension if you can't acknowledge the reality of this.
I'm done engaging you and your increasingly bizarre ramblings.
you have your own definition on how choose how to define progressive cultures, and Human rights so your statement will always be true. If according your definition of Human rights things lessened then you would say that the country ceased to be a progressive culture.
PS: In 1939 any guesses which country had the strongest animal protection laws?
I assume that you would think that strongest animal protection laws is the sign of a progressive culture.
both the head and the second in command of the SA (a group that went around Germany beating up Jews) were openly gay.
to sum up why your argument is ludicrous
1. you can't compare the heads of the SA, to a private in the American army.
2. they were openly gay as opposed to the US army for example which would have you court marshaled
3. the SA was not just a army
1) You think gays have never risen in the ranks of the US military? You DO realize that the man who TRAINED the continental army - the army that led to the freedom that you have today to practice your uber-conservative version of your religion without reprisal - was a gay man? Do you know those standards he taught the continental army still form the basis of the standards in use today?
2) So when Hitler ordered that anyone in the party found to be a practicing homosexual, it made them that much easier to kill?
3) B.F.D.
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Originally Posted by NY Jew
1. a collaborators is not even close to the same thing as a leading perpetrator
2. there's way were more evidence that Hitler was gay than Jewish (for some reason the most people who think Hitler was Jewish also think there was no Gas Chambers)
3. there wasn't a single Openly Jewish Nazi, there were openly gay top ranking nazis
4. there is no such thing as a part Jew
1) Doesn't matter, and doesn't change anything. Jews actively participated in harming other Jews, and Jews are STILL not to blame for it because SOME of their ranks were involved in it. Nazis and Hitler was to blame.
2) No, there's not.
3) Oh? There were also openly straight top ranking Nazis. Yet for some reason you save your indignation for the gay individuals in the ranks.
4) Yeah, there are, when discussing Jewishness as a culture or ethnicity, as opposed to the religious part.
I don't care what silly little rules your religion has for who is a real Jew vs. not a real Jew, whose mom has to be Jewish to be considered Jewish... you cannot argue with genetics. Ashkenazi isn't usually a genetic marker found among people who do not have Jewish heritage.
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If you don't understand the difference between Jews (most of who ) who were in the German army before the rise of Hitler and the leader of the group that rose Hitler to power you need more help than I thought
(most of who).... nice qualification there.
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Next time you should do more research
this press release came out a few days later
The assumption is made on the E1b1b1 marker, which 30% of Ashkenazis have, and 30% of Sephardics have.
Now, being an individual in Northern Europe, and not someone from southern Europe - for which E1b1b1 is common from north Africa, where is the most likely source of this gene?
From some Berber, or from the countless Jewish who were in northern Europe, Germany, Poland, Austria?
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My head is just fine yours is in quick sand
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I never quoted that book so this whole paragraph was a strawman argument
You don't have to quote the book. It's where you and your wretched ilk have sources your conclusions.
The paragraph discusses and debunks the ARGUMENT that you pose, not just the BOOK.
Keep up.
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Originally Posted by NY Jew
were Ernst Röhm and Edmund Heines gay?
did Ernst Röhm and Edmund Heines help bring Nazism to Germany?
As usual, you miss the point.
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Originally Posted by NY Jew
completely irrelevant
Oh? How is it irrelevant?
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1. SS officers raped Jewish male inmates in the concentration camps
2. it was also illegal for any non-jew to have relations with a jew yet many SS officers raped Jewish woman.
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You would have served yourself better in your formative years studying more than the Holocaust.
Perhaps some courses in human sexuality. Or power dynamics.
Rape is about control and power and violence. Any freshman at a second rate community college who has taken a sociology seminar knows at least THAT much.
The SS soliders raping malnourished, shaven head women and gaunt men were not burning with lust towards their captors. They were committing acts of violence and control and humiliation.
come back to me in 100 years when they are speaking Arabic in Western Europe.
LOL, don't worry about Europe.
And I really think you shouldn't be throwing stones when living in a glass house.... a house full of Shiksa interlopers, intermarriage rates skyrocketing to half of all marriages entered into by Jewish people, and 17 Jewish children for every 20 Jewish adults.
Oh, and get this: Many of the gay movements revered leaders are Jewish: Harvey Milk, for example. One of the largest gay porn producers is a Russian Jew famous for portraying hot guys from Israel.
MY view is that marriage should not be regulated at all by the state. all civil reasons for having marriage run by government are solved by having every get a civil union. so marriage could be run by the various religions of the world without government interference.
I'm an atheist. Which religion should "run" my marriage? What does "running" a marriage entail, anyway?
Regardless of your view that the state shouldn't be involved in marriage - a not uncommon view - it is. This is the situation at hand. It's a legal structure that doesn't involve religion, the religious ceremony is just that, a ceremony. It has no legal meaning without the license, which no church issues. Should gay people have access to this legal structure or not? If not, why not?
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