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Obama never said that his “change” would be a good thing. I wonder how hard Obama laughed at all of those Obama-bots, singing “yes we can, yes we can.”
There already are death panels. They're called health insurance companies. They make life-and-death decisions all the time, trying to deny people the medical care they need. I know. I used to work in that area (on the billing side.)
There already are death panels. They're called health insurance companies. They make life-and-death decisions all the time, trying to deny people the medical care they need. I know. I used to work in that area (on the billing side.)
Why should the government get involve with death panels? like the IRS targeted groups?
Obama never said that his “change” would be a good thing. I wonder how hard Obama laughed at all of those Obama-bots, singing “yes we can, yes we can.”
All I know is that if you want to keep grandpa in the hospital indefinitely when there is 0 chance of quality of life. . .than you should pay out of your own pocket, Not Govt. Not insurance
Call it a death panel or what, but this notion we can spend more than 1/2 of your life's healthcare dollars on the LAST TWO weeks of life is just money pissing down a drain.
Why should the government get involve with death panels? like the IRS targeted groups?
They're not. The panels you are referring to are going to be concentrating on containing costs and making the healthcare system more efficient---which is what we all want right? There are many ways to do this, I took an entire course on it. Administrative overhead, coordination of care across specialties, preventive and community-based care, electronic records, tele-medicine, evidence-based medicine guidelines, technology, prescriptions, and employee duties---are some of the areas in which a ton of money can be saved.
As for patients, 80 % of medical care costs in the U.S. are incurred by 20 % of the population, those with chronic conditions, especially those with two or more. They are the ones driving healthcare costs. That's the group we need to be concentrating on, not with death panels, but preventive and primary care, healthy lifestyles, and coordination of care across specialties.
All I know is that if you want to keep grandpa in the hospital indefinitely when there is 0 chance of quality of life. . .than you should pay out of your own pocket, Not Govt. Not insurance
Call it a death panel or what, but this notion we can spend more than 1/2 of your life's healthcare dollars on the LAST TWO weeks of life is just money pissing down a drain.
And that's certainly not the government's call anyway. It's people who are causing that. By not having living wills. And by loved ones of the individual refusing to let the patient go when it is there time.
And that's certainly not the government's call anyway. It's people who are causing that. By not having living wills. And by loved ones of the individual refusing to let the patient go when it is there time.
My wife works in the field. 90 year olds receiving cardio stents and pacemakers is not uncommon.
we pay for that while young children who do not have or have bad health insurance are not able to get treatments they may need.
Time to get our budget in order and provide Universal health coverage.
My wife works in the field. 90 year olds receiving cardio stents and pacemakers is not uncommon.
we pay for that while young children who do not have or have bad health insurance are not able to get treatments they may need.
Time to get our budget in order and provide Universal health coverage.
I would be surprised to see a 90-year-old getting those, it's not even medically safe to my knowledge.
All I know is that if you want to keep grandpa in the hospital indefinitely when there is 0 chance of quality of life. . .than you should pay out of your own pocket, Not Govt. Not insurance
Depends on how old grandpa is. Medicaid kept this one guy alive for two years that had no quality of life. In fact he didn't respond to anything. But the kids kept praying for a miracle and wouldn't allow him to be disconnected. Finally the hospital wrote an order not to treat any new conditions. They couldn't let "just die" but they could refuse to treat say pneumonia.
I think the bill was up to 2.5 million for one person. 100% paid by Medicare and Medicaid.
I'm trying to remember the name of the show. I'm pretty sure it was on ABC.
My wife works in the field. 90 year olds receiving cardio stents and pacemakers is not uncommon.
we pay for that while young children who do not have or have bad health insurance are not able to get treatments they may need.
Time to get our budget in order and provide Universal health coverage.
Coverage would help the children but only policy would stop the stents.
My urologist told me of a patient that was dying of cancer. He came down with renal failure. The doctor told him he would die without pay or they could treat him but be in pain. Patient chose to die shortly later in pain.
We tend to cling to life but what creature doesn't? Personally, I hope to die of renal failure.
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