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Old 06-23-2013, 11:02 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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An internet site recently ran a poll implying that our system was "broken", and asking, "Who has the best solution to the illegal-alien problem?" The choice of answers they offered was (a) Arizona with its new law, (b) Obama with his "comprehensive immigration reform" mantra, or (c) Not Sure.

But they left out the CORRECT answer. Actually, the people who wrote our existing Federal laws on immigration, had the best solution.

1.) No one gets in without a visa.
2.) We do whatever it takes to keep out people without visas (which includes building a fence/wall where needed and hiring enough Border Patrol to patrol it adequately).
3.) Aliens found here without a visa, through unrelated contact with law enforcement, get deported.
4.) Employers who knowingly employ illegal aliens go to jail, up to and including the CEOs if they knew or suspected it too.
5.) People who apply for visas for various reasons (marriage, relatives, political asylum, needed skills, routine-I-want-to-live-there, etc.) get screened for criminal backgrounds and/or diseases, then get visas according to set quotas. Those quotas get expanded as population or capacity to absorb immigrants expands.

Why is this so difficult?

The system isn't "broken". A perfectly good system has been in place for decades. We're just not using it! And haven't been, for many administrations now.

We don't need to change the laws (so-called "comprehensive immigration reform")

And we certainly don't need to grant amnesty to people who already broke our laws and came here illegally (so-called "path to citizenship").

We need to change the people whose job it was to enforce existing laws, who haven't been doing it... starting at the top. And replace them with people who WILL do the job they're assigned by the voters.

Why wasn't this offered in your poll of "Who has the best solution?" Because it IS the best solution. And has been for a long time.

The only thing that's been missing, is the will to actually carry out this "tough love" program for our country.

BTW, if the administration(s) haven't wanted to obey the existing immigration laws, what makes you think they will obey a new set of laws?

The problem isn't with the existing laws. It's with the people we elected to carry them out.
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Old 06-23-2013, 11:06 AM
 
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Well - -- the politicians are claiming unemployed Americans are too lazy to want to work for a living. So high unemployment rates is a good reason to add 11-30 million new cheaper workers to the legal labor pools.

And providing health care to these 11-30 million and the family members they're going to be allowed to bring in to join them for the good easy life here will have to have their health care handouts paid by the already overburdened taxpayers.

And today "homeland security" amounts to nothing more than spying on the American citizens while any foreigner is to be rewarded for committing felony document fraud, identity theft.
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Old 06-23-2013, 02:35 PM
 
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An internet site recently ran a poll implying that our system was "broken", and asking, "Who has the best solution to the illegal-alien problem?" The choice of answers they offered was (a) Arizona with its new law, (b) Obama with his "comprehensive immigration reform" mantra, or (c) Not Sure.

But they left out the CORRECT answer. Actually, the people who wrote our existing Federal laws on immigration, had the best solution.

1.) No one gets in without a visa.
2.) We do whatever it takes to keep out people without visas (which includes building a fence/wall where needed and hiring enough Border Patrol to patrol it adequately).
3.) Aliens found here without a visa, through unrelated contact with law enforcement, get deported.
4.) Employers who knowingly employ illegal aliens go to jail, up to and including the CEOs if they knew or suspected it too.
5.) People who apply for visas for various reasons (marriage, relatives, political asylum, needed skills, routine-I-want-to-live-there, etc.) get screened for criminal backgrounds and/or diseases, then get visas according to set quotas. Those quotas get expanded as population or capacity to absorb immigrants expands.

Why is this so difficult?

The system isn't "broken". A perfectly good system has been in place for decades. We're just not using it! And haven't been, for many administrations now.

We don't need to change the laws (so-called "comprehensive immigration reform")

And we certainly don't need to grant amnesty to people who already broke our laws and came here illegally (so-called "path to citizenship").

We need to change the people whose job it was to enforce existing laws, who haven't been doing it... starting at the top. And replace them with people who WILL do the job they're assigned by the voters.

Why wasn't this offered in your poll of "Who has the best solution?" Because it IS the best solution. And has been for a long time.

The only thing that's been missing, is the will to actually carry out this "tough love" program for our country.

BTW, if the administration(s) haven't wanted to obey the existing immigration laws, what makes you think they will obey a new set of laws?

The problem isn't with the existing laws. It's with the people we elected to carry them out.
I couldn't agree more.
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Old 06-23-2013, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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The problem isn't with the existing laws. It's with the people we elected to carry them out.
Agreed.
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Old 06-23-2013, 02:52 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Because we are not getting enough high skilled immigrants?
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Old 06-23-2013, 03:00 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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We need reform, we don't need amnesty disguised as 'reform' so the Democratic Party can maintain their grip on power for the next half a century. We need to close the floodgates, And bring back national quotas and visa restrictions.
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Old 06-23-2013, 03:14 PM
 
Location: texas
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The new GOP way...leave it broken.
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Old 06-23-2013, 03:18 PM
 
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The new GOP way...leave it broken.
Sure -- when "fixing" it will make the problem far worse. How on earth can highly rewarding anyone from a foreign country who breaks the laws fix the problem of them coming here and breaking the laws?

There is no good reason to reward those who came here illegally, committed felony document fraud, identity theft, tax evasion, overstayed a visa, etc with legal status and US citizenship.

If they aren't given their nice reward, it's not like they're going to get mad and stomp on out of here. There's no good reason to reward them for breaking our laws.
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Old 06-23-2013, 04:00 PM
 
Location: texas
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Sure -- when "fixing" it will make the problem far worse. How on earth can highly rewarding anyone from a foreign country who breaks the laws fix the problem of them coming here and breaking the laws?

There is no good reason to reward those who came here illegally, committed felony document fraud, identity theft, tax evasion, overstayed a visa, etc with legal status and US citizenship.

If they aren't given their nice reward, it's not like they're going to get mad and stomp on out of here. There's no good reason to reward them for breaking our laws.
when "fixing" it will make the problem far worse. leave it broken.
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Old 06-23-2013, 04:10 PM
 
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when "fixing" it will make the problem far worse. leave it broken.
Yes, and the real solution would be to start finally enforcing the laws of this country. Rewarding lawbreakers doesn't do that.

Besides the liberals are saying we need all this cheap illegal labor to do all that hard work low paying kind of jobs that Americans don't want to do, so if we need them here illegally, then what's the point in handing them legal status so that they can no longer legally do all those hard work low wage jobs?

Throwing all these millions into the legal labor poor benefits no one, their lawbreaking employers aren't going to be punished and so will simply order up more boxcars of illegals to replace their amnestied workers.

This bill is a bad one because while the American people are being told it's for illegals who otherwise obeyed the laws, the illegals are being told that it's okay if they committed felony document fraud, felony identity theft, even DWI, tax evasion, failed to pay child support, shoplifting and many other crimes.

They're even going to eliminate the fines and fees for those illegals who live off government handouts -- even the lazy and mooching illegals are going to be rewarded.
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