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Because we liberals are smart enough to realize that the NSA has been doing these things since 1952.
Do conservatives all of a sudden want to dismantle our intelligence/national security/data collection apparatus? Yeah, right. Sure they do.
What I expect is the bill of rights to be adhered to it is the supreme law of the land. The end does not justify the means under our law. It may make things more difficult to get things done, but ultimately it is a better security for us than this brand of trading our freedom away for select security that Cheney and Bloomberg propose.
I expect this situation exposed to happen in countries like Russia, China, Cuba and Bahrain, not here.
The OP is wrong about this being a partisan issue though; it is big-government statists vs those who value their privacy and don't want to live in a surveillance state. Party affiliation has nothing to do with it.
You are right of course. As I mentioned I did see some who lean conservative also call this treason or him a traitor, but as I read the thoughts of posters I was surprised by how many who are liberal progressive take the opinion that the guy was a traitor.
The OP is wrong about this being a partisan issue though; it is big-government statists vs those who value their privacy and don't want to live in a surveillance state. Party affiliation has nothing to do with it.
Actually I think the OP nailed it.
When Bush was President, the left wingers moaned and groaned against the Patriot Act, they celebrated wikileaks, and people who leaked information as heros.
now they are traiters, and the Patriot Act, even in its expanded form, is there to protect us, and if we arent doing anythign wrong, then we have nothing to hide.
Yet, the majority of liberals or democrat voters on this forum denounce that the government has been exposed for secretly monitoring and the collection of citizens information in disregard to the 4th amendment.
Actually, it was a extremely liberal writer, Glenn Greenwald who wrote the expose. On the issue of Snowden you can find "liberal" opinions here and throughout the media going all across the board on this issue, which leads me to the opinion that this is nothing more than one of the daily right wing troll treads.
When Bush was President, the left wingers moaned and groaned against the Patriot Act, they celebrated wikileaks, and people who leaked information as heros.
now they are traiters, and the Patriot Act, even in its expanded form, is there to protect us, and if we arent doing anythign wrong, then we have nothing to hide.
Lefties, full of hypocrites.
they also took what Bush did and made it much much worse.
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Clearly, you aren't paying attention then.
The OP is wrong about this being a partisan issue though; it is big-government statists vs those who value their privacy and don't want to live in a surveillance state. Party affiliation has nothing to do with it.
This.
There are plenty of big government statists on both the left and the right.
I didn't support the domestic spying crap when Bush was doing it, and I don't support Obama doing it either.
Sure there are some partisans who were opposed to it when Bush did it, but defend it now; just as there are some partisans on the right who supported domestic spying when Bush was doing it, but are expressing outrage about now.
You must be reading some insane right wing propaganda. I haven't seen any democrats denounce Snowden. The right wingers on the other had are, the patriot act and crapping all over the constitution are the GOP's staples.
they also took what Bush did and made it much much worse.
Actually the Congress took what Bush did and imposed the a warrant requirement. So you are wrong on both counts.
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