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Old 07-01-2013, 07:45 AM
 
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How about this one - the Obama doctrine utilized...
Lol!! The Obama Doctrine...it's not my fault.
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:46 AM
 
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Neither. But then again, American Politicians are among the first to completely forget the lessons of history. Either that, or they are so full of pride in themselves that they believe that some how they can avoid the mistakes of the past even as they make the exact same mistake again and again. Stop getting involved!
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:55 AM
 
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Egyptian Army is backing the protestors... 48 given Morsi to effect a process.

http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-army-giv...144646222.html

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Old 07-01-2013, 09:29 AM
 
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Egyptian Army is backing the protestors... 48 given Morsi to effect a process.

Egypt army gives politicians 48 hours to agree
As Emeril would say - they just kicked it up a notch. Morsi has said that the Army would not be involved at all, he basically sent them to the outskirts of towns yesterday. One blogger noted that the Army surrounded some building that houses all the main media - I think the Army took control of that last night.

Morsi's political party is the Freedom and Justice Party - it is the political wing of the Muslim Brotherhood - they are claiming (or tried to claim) that there was much ado about nothing.

Egypt’s anti-Mursi protests are ‘imaginary,’ says MB’s political wing
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The website of the political arm of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood described the recent mass protests against Islamist President Mohammed Mursi as "imaginary," in an online statement on Sunday.
The Freedom and Justice Party’s site said that a number of cars roamed the streets of Cairo and Giza on Sunday and played revolutionary chants to put citizens under the illusion of revolutionary momentum in the country.
Yesterday's protests were larger than the original Tahrir Square protests because they happened all over the country in similar numbers ..... Millions of people went to the streets yesterday. Quite a few of them are Muslim Brotherhood - that's where you are seeing the deaths. Hard to say how many, but it looks like about 10 last night, 8 earlier in the lead up protests and certainly many more to come.

Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood will fight back.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:32 AM
 
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Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood will fight back.
Absolutely. I think the world is about to see another Syria.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:38 AM
 
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Absolutely. I think the world is about to see another Syria.
I think Syria is more like the first Egyptian and Libyian protests - in that Muslim Brotherhood leadership would be installed in lieu of existing leadership.

With regards to the amount of violence - I agree w/ you.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:51 AM
 
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Absolutely. I think the world is about to see another Syria.
Let's just hope the American part of the world is content to see and doesn't insist on playing there.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:58 AM
 
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Absolutely. I think the world is about to see another Syria.
No. Egypt is liberals versus conservatives. The Egyptian military is powerful and is on the side of the liberals and secularists. The military will put an end to Morsi and the conservatives. The issue in Syria is Shiite versus Sunni. That kind of thing is just unsolvable without time. There is no such sectarian rift in Egypt.
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:05 AM
 
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No. Egypt is liberals versus conservatives. The Egyptian military is powerful and is on the side of the liberals and secularists. The military will put an end to Morsi and the conservatives. The issue in Syria is Shiite versus Sunni. That kind of thing is just unsolvable without time. There is no such sectarian rift in Egypt.
They've had about 1,400 years.

Whatta ya figure, 'nother 4-5,000 oughta do it?
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:22 AM
 
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No. Egypt is liberals versus conservatives. The Egyptian military is powerful and is on the side of the liberals and secularists. The military will put an end to Morsi and the conservatives. The issue in Syria is Shiite versus Sunni. That kind of thing is just unsolvable without time. There is no such sectarian rift in Egypt.
This is mostly the case - there is a pretty large Christian population in Egypt, so that part is "sectarian" - this is basically the Islamists against the more moderate ..... important to note that the majority of Egyptians are pretty conservative - they overwhelmingly support Sharia Law, but they all lived under the Dictatorship of Mubarak and they don't want to go back to that. I'm not so sure about the Military putting an end to Morsi (at least not very fast) - The Muslim Brotherhood is strong, they have been putting their people in high positions AND Morsi is a very good BS'er - his position with the MB was as a liaison Negotiator between the Mubarak Regime (which was Military based) and the Brotherhood. Things are very, very bad in Egypt - no food, no petrol, no jobs, no economy with signs of Anarchy.
Civil War is an outside possibility.

Syria is not just a Sectarian War, it's a proxy Regional War .... IF Bashar al-Assad falls (more likely splits the country) - then it will become a Civil War between the Secularist majority and the Islamists.
Russia has pulled out of Syira and they have done that despite the fact that the Assad forces are doing a lot better.

In both Syria and in Egypt (and in the region) - the prevailing thought is that Obama supports the Muslim Brotherhood and the Assad regime. The USA is always chasing that "stability" thingy and Obama believes these two men can offer it.
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