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Old 07-05-2013, 07:25 PM
 
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i dont understand how anyone could justify practically eliminating the right to a trial by jury. is there any real argument for the ndaa? and why does no one care?
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Old 07-05-2013, 07:30 PM
 
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Where does it eliminate that right to trial by jury for all Americans? I missed that part.
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Old 07-05-2013, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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People value security more than liberty these days. If you're not guilty of anything in the first place, you shouldn't have to worry much about everyone being assumed guilty until proven innocent.
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:14 PM
 
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Where does it eliminate that right to trial by jury for all Americans? I missed that part.
no problem, "(a) IN GENERAL.—Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection

(b)) pending disposition under the law of war.

(b) COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under this section is any person as follows:

(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks

(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces."

the president has the power to accuse you of terrorist acts and you may be subjected to this act. and since there is no trial, no proof is needed.
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:30 PM
 
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There's no argument for the NDAA. It was a response to the fear the government was beginning to feel when the Occupy movement was continuing to grow and mount pressure. It's was supposed to scare people back into submission, which it kinda did.
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:31 PM
 
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This has been discussed extensively even if not directly associated with the NDAA.
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Because most people do not believe they have given anything up via the NDAA.
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:27 PM
 
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Most zoo raised animals think they are free
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Most zoo raised animals think they are free
All zoo raised animals and all wild animals have no idea what "free" even means.
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:39 PM
 
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A favorite author of mine (Chris Hedges) challenged Obama on this and won in court.

I highly recommend you read this article. Hedges is a left leaning guy but he exposes Obama for what he is. Obama like bush, like Clinton, like Reagan are not on the liberty and freedom side of things.

Chris Hedges: Update On Anti-NDAA Lawsuit Vs.*Obama - Home - The Daily Bail
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