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Old 07-12-2013, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
Trayvon wasn't wounded or leaving a blood trail. Do you walk around in the dark figuring you're going to stumble into a deer?

I do see your point. It is also possible he had given up at that point and was simply walking back to his truck. He stayed on the phone with dispatch, just sort of "chatting" for a couple minutes after he "lost him". Not really what I'd expect from someone "chasing a child down".
I agree with you completely. As in 100%. we don't know. What we do know is that GZ was really afraid. The screaming? Who knows who it was, but I'll go with maybe it was george. I honestly believe the man was afraid.
Nothing went as he envisioned it to go. He was decked by a punch in the nose and bad went to worse when TM mounted him. I don't buy the 30+ blows. GZ isn't beaten up all that bad. But he was terrified by what little he did get.

 
Old 07-12-2013, 03:36 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX USA
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Unless he was attacked first.
He may have been, but the state didn't prove it. The state didnt prove anything other that people saw TM on top of GZ hitting him in the face.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 03:38 PM
 
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Thank God that everyone who gets hit in the face after making the person who hit them feel threatened does not kill the person who hit them.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 03:38 PM
 
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In that scenario, you'd better... have a few witnesses ready to lie for you.
As a strong believer in deception, you must be proud of GZ for claiming he had never heard of the "stand your ground" law. Especially, after finding out later, not only had he heard of it, but he took a class on the subject and received an "A".

I guess, if he's going to lie, he might as well make it a good one, huh?
 
Old 07-12-2013, 03:39 PM
 
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Remember folks, as instructions state, the jury must presume Zimmerman is innocent until the State has proven other wise. The burden is on the State.
So can anyone say the state has met the burden of proof? No.

The most important thing is the jury and their views on law. If they put law above most else, including emotion, it should be Not Guilty
 
Old 07-12-2013, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Baltimore / Montgomery County, MD
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I'm black and honestly even though its wrong that Martin died, I don't think Zimmerman is guilty.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 03:40 PM
 
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Remember folks, as instructions state, the jury must presume Zimmerman is innocent until the State has proven other wise. The burden is on the State.
So can anyone say the state has met the burden of proof? No.

The most important thing is the jury and their views on law. If they put law above most else, including emotion, it should be Not Guilty
I think they've met the burden on Manslaughter. Not on 2nd degree.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 03:40 PM
 
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Remember folks, as instructions state, the jury must presume Zimmerman is innocent until the State has proven other wise. The burden is on the State.
So can anyone say the state has met the burden of proof? No.

The most important thing is the jury and their views on law. If they put law above most else, including emotion, it should be Not Guilty
Perhaps that's how the jury will see it. What if it isn't? I guess all the GZ supporters will call them stupid, just like they are doing now with anyone who believes that GZ is guilty.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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So I am unreasonable because I can see that a blow to the head can easily kill somebody?
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People have been killed by one hit. Recently a 17 year old in Utah killed an adult with one hit at a soccer game. Not unreasonable at all to think this. I knew personally a guy who got killed with one hit, he died later the next day, even after being taken to the hospital and discharged.
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Look at the One Punch Death link. It is not about being tough.
So what? That is not what happened!!!!!
 
Old 07-12-2013, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Originally Posted by Just1Fan View Post
As a strong believer in deception, you must be proud of GZ for claiming he had never heard of the "stand your ground" law. Especially, after finding out later, not only had he heard of it, but he took a class on the subject and received an "A".

I guess, if he's going to lie, he might as well make it a good one, huh?
Actually, to tell the whole truth, he took a class that included the stand your ground law.
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