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Obviously using one's fists to fight back doesn't count as self defense.
Post the state statute that says that?
Who are you referring to, anyway? martin? He wasn't "fighting back" according to the trial evidence he circled back and attacked zimmerman. He caused his own death by being stupid.
Nothing wrong with trying to understand which types of self defense are okay, so far it seems like the only self defense that is accepted is a gun in hand and only if you are willing to kill the other person.
Also, you need to reread the title of the thread because it is a scenario, so I am just staying on topic with it. If you don't like that, you shouldn't be commenting in this thread.
The law is crystal clear. You are the one who's confused.
You cannot use force to defend yourself unless your assailant is or is in the process of attacking you. Such attack must be imminent, meaning if the assailant is planning to murder you two months down the road, you can't preemptively kill him and claim self defense or if the assailant fails to murder you and gives up his weapon, you can't shoot him to finish him off either. This does not necessarily mean a knife or a gun must be drawn before you can act. However, you will need to convince your reasonable peers, aka juries, that this is true if your dead assailant comes out with nothing but a cell phone.
In the Zimmerman's case, it is conceivable that Martin recognized the move that Zimmerman made to retrieve his cell phone from his pocket was consistent with reaching for a gun or a knife, "fugitive move" in the legal term. At that point, Martin could legally use force to stop Zimmerman.
However, since Martin is dead, we can't hear from his side of story. So that's just my speculation. In reality, it wouldn't help the case anyway even Martin came back and testified in court it was what happened. The case needs to be looked at from Zimmerman point of view since he's the one on trial.
blah...blah...blah...the evidence was presented and the jury studied it all and rejected it. Time to move on.
Because prosecution did a poor job presenting the case, this should of been an easy verdict, instead the prosecution dropped the ball. Also, if it is time to move on, why are you bothering to comment about it?
Because prosecution did a poor job presenting the case, this should of been an easy verdict, instead the prosecution dropped the ball. Also, if it is time to move on, why are you bothering to comment about it?
Oh..the prosecution did a poor job. Well, since you are such a better prosecutor you might be able to trot on over to Fla. and straighten them out...let them know you can do a better job...
Post the state statute that says that?
Who are you referring to, anyway? martin? He wasn't "fighting back" according to the trial evidence he circled back and attacked zimmerman. He caused his own death by being stupid.
So you believe that Martin made it all the way home and then went and tracked down Zimmerman who was just minding his own business after accusing a teen of burglary, and then randomly attacked Zimmerman? That story has never added up, but it does sound like the kind of story a murderer would say and stick to to keep them from going to prison. Not like Martin is going to challenge that story.
What facts?
What is also fact is due to poor witnesses and even worse evidence GZ was acquitted.
What you're really saying is that the Prosecution had no evidence, and did a lousy job with what they did have. Maybe you should have prosecuted the case instead.
blah...blah...blah...the evidence was presented and the jury studied it all and rejected it. Time to move on.
LOL do you deny what I posted were facts?
I am no TM defender. I believe he was a wanna be thug and a thug in the making. That said that thug in the making had a right to walk down the street without GZ harassing him.
IT was GZ who was aggressive and pushed this entire situation. It was GZ who lied repeatedly. It is GZ's word everyone is expected to accept in spite of his lies. I do not accept the word of a proven liar.
GZ worshippers need to get a reality check. It could have been anyone GZ did this to.
The law is crystal clear. You are the one who's confused.
You cannot use force to defend yourself unless your assailant is or is in the process of attacking you. This does not necessarily mean a knife or a gun must be drawn before you can act. However, you will need to convince your reasonable peers, aka juries, that this is true if your dead assailant comes out with nothing but a cell phone.
In the Zimmerman's case, it is conceivable that Martin recognized the move that Zimmerman made to retrieve his cell phone from his pocket was consistent with reaching for a gun or a knife, "fugitive move" in the legal term. At that point, Martin could legally use force to stop Zimmerman.
However, since Martin is dead, we can't hear from his side of story. So that's just my speculation. In reality, it wouldn't help the case anyway even Martin came back and testified in court it was what happened. The case needs to be looked at from Zimmerman point of view since he's the one on trial.
So because Martin is dead, we just have to take his killer's word that it was all Martin's fault....now that really makes a lot of sense.
So you believe that Martin made it all the way home and then went and tracked down Zimmerman who was just minding his own business after accusing a teen of burglary, and then randomly attacked Zimmerman? That story has never added up, but it does sound like the kind of story a murderer would say and stick to to keep them from going to prison. Not like Martin is going to challenge that story.
Doesn't matter what I believe happened.
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LOL do you deny what I posted were facts?
Yes.
You can't just make up exaggerated stories and present them as facts. Many watched the trial and saw the evidence that was actually presented.
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