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East Germany was unfortunate in that it was associated with the USSR and thus a hot spot during the cold war.
East Germany was actually better than West Germany in some respect. But after the wall came down West Germany destroyed what was good about East Germany, actually in a similar blind rejection that is typical of Americans. There were good companies in East Germany, but they were bought up, the knowledge was transferred to the West and then the Eastern originals were killed off. That is one reason why many people in East Germany still don't like the West. They feel their country was destroyed in a kind of sale.
what was good about it? what is the plus of having the stasi kick in your door and shoot you in a ally?
I'm not restricting you to the time frame of the discovery of the new world. I just can't seem to think of any inventions or innovations which were beneficial to mankind that were made by a socialist.
That was not really the issue. I had said that there were lots of inventors in the past who did not do it for money. (Of course not today as the whole world seems infected with capitalism.) I don't know about their party membership, though. If you go back 150 years and more, most inventors were much more passionate about what they were doing, money was not really an issue. Many times inventions were done at universities as there were no companies as such, patents and copyrights were not a source of income. There is a book explaining that much of Germany's lead in the past was based on giving a crap about patents, rights, etc., a bit like the way China has been doing it for years.
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I am talking about how they felt about socialism. When USSR collapsed east Germany basically was broke and couldn't pay even the salaries of many. West Germany made many sacrifice to taking east geramny when that happened. Just some with sour grapes.
That is just the official side of it, that West Germany likes to transmit.
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I am repeating the third time - you are totally free to go to North Korea to experience socialism in all it's beauty. Enjoy.
don't try to drag us all to that hell.
Nah, I will stay right here in the West and promote my thoughts, whether you like it or not.
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what a BS.
you have clearly never been either West or East Germany.
Where do they feed this nonsense from?
I am German, I lived there for decades before I emigrated. Can you say the same thing about yourself?
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what was good about it? what is the plus of having the stasi kick in your door and shoot you in a ally?
Again, you only know the official story. There were also good things about East Germany, just like there are bad things about West Germany and the US. Where does that black-white thinking come from? That is so unrealistic and prevents people from being fair and learning from each other.
If you speak German, watch the documentary Goldrausch.
Anyway, I am not here to defend or promote the USSR and its implementation of socialism, not at all. I would not have liked to live in the USSR.
I am interested in a new system, that is neither the socialism nor the capitalism we have seen so far as I consider both very problematic.
partThat is just the official side of it, that West Germany likes to transmit.
Don't look now but there is no "West Germany." There is only the Federal Republic of Germany.
Seems to me that those who lived in the former East Germany now have the right and privilege of participating in free elections so if they wish changes to be made they can vote for them.
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Don't look now but there is no "West Germany." Theee is only the Federal Republic of Germany.
Seems to me that those who lived in the former East Germany now have the right and privilege of participating in free elections so if they wish changes to be made they can vote for them.
Not really, no. Germans are divided into Wessis and Ossis, i.e. those from the former West and those from the former East. And since there are far more Wessis than Ossis, the Ossis can vote whomever they want, they have little influence. Basically it was a hostile takeover of an entire country...
Not really, no. Germans are divided into Wessis and Ossis, i.e. those from the former West and those from the former East. And since there are far more Wessis than Ossis, the Ossis can vote whomever they want, they have little influence. Basically it was a hostile takeover of an entire country...
Which rather begs the question of why you're living in the country likely most responsible for that "hostile takeover" of a place you seem to miss so much.
Are we to believe that all or most Germans vote in only one of two blocs? If so, they deserve the government they have, just like this country does.
Which rather begs the question of why you're living in the country likely most responsible for that "hostile takeover" of a place you seem to miss so much.
Are we to believe that all or most Germans vote in only one of two blocs? If so, they deserve the government they have, just like this country does.
I don't live in Germany anymore, I never really liked it.
No, of course not. However, there is a leftist party which has many followers in the East, but which is treated as if it did not exist in the West, it is being shunned simply because it is a party that dates back to the former East German party. And that although it is certainly not worse than the other parties in terms of content today, probably even better. It is not so different from the Green party actually, but that is very successful in the West. West Germans seem to have forgotten that the biggest conservative party had many Nazi people among its founders. No stigma there, though, no idea why...
Seriously.... Why are Americans so Anti-Socialised?
I was not aware most Americans were anti socialism.
The U.S. was in debt at the time the Constitution was written. The Constitution empowered Congress to lay and collect taxes, duties, imports and excises to pay debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States.
Most people:
Educated in public schools,
Use electricity,
Drink and bathe in clean water,
Eat,
Use public roads and bridges
Rely on Police, Fire Fighters and First Responders,
Follow laws enacted for the greater good,
Absorb the cost of theft and fraud,
Transfer personal and commercial liability risks
Transfer the risk of healthcare costs
Socialism breeds poverty. Anyone who thinks otherwise either is illogical or looks at history incorrectly.
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