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Old 08-03-2013, 05:50 AM
 
Location: 77441
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that my political affiliation even closely resembles that of Maher. Why doesn't he just come out and admit he's a liberal?

You have to understand Bill Maher is first and foremost a comedian.
what he pretends to be on TV is for his fanbase,
I suspect no one really knows what his true political afilliation is.

everything he says and does is to get a positive reaction from the booger eating liberal sheep who worship him w/$$.
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Old 08-03-2013, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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that my political affiliation even closely resembles that of Maher. Why doesn't he just come out and admit he's a liberal?
Probably the best deconstruction of so-called "libertarianism" I've ever heard, by a true libertarian:


Chomsky refutes "libertarian" "anarcho"- capitalism - YouTube
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Old 08-03-2013, 06:11 AM
 
Location: On the Edge of the Fringe
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There are Conservative Libertarians (Ron Paul, Ayn Rand, John Stossel) and there are Libertarian Socialists (Bill Maher, Noam Chomsky, Abbie Hoffman).

Obviously these folks weren't/aren't completely rigid in their philosophies but generally speaking this is a good place to start.

Conservative Libertarians believe in personal freedom through what they see as legitimate institutions (banks, churches, even the current government if policies are adjusted correctly).

Libertarian Socialists believe in personal freedom but don't recognize the legitimacy of current institutions to work thru to achieve this freedom.

In a broad, broad, broad nutshell.
There are Civil Libertarians as well, perhaps some of Maher's ideas, especially the anti-religious aspects, rest therein ?
I can relate because as an atheist, I have in America, the fundamental right to worship or NOT worship as I please, and I do not need the church to guide me in that anymore than I need a handout from the government to eat. I would think that Maher shares some of this idea.

Maher is an entertainer though, above all else.
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Old 08-03-2013, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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that my political affiliation even closely resembles that of Maher. Why doesn't he just come out and admit he's a liberal?
There are wing nuts on both edges of the splinter group.
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:00 AM
 
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You have to understand Bill Maher is first and foremost a comedian.
what he pretends to be on TV is for his fanbase,
I suspect no one really knows what his true political afilliation is.

everything he says and does is to get a positive reaction from the booger eating liberal sheep who worship him w/$$.
He'd have to be a little funny to be a comedian and he really is not. I really cannot understand why he's famous.
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:03 AM
 
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Not everyone is going to nail all the key points. I don't follow him all that much anymore but it wouldn't shock me if he hedged on things just to keep stirring the pot on his show and thru his public image.

I get nervous with labels but I'm a Libertarian Socialist IF I had to pick. I'm very pro-gun rights.

then you can not be socialist. at all.

it does not go together.

mixing libertarianism with socialism is also an oxymoron - since those are two absolutely opposing directions.

you clearly have a mixed up understanding of the terms
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:04 AM
 
Location: texas
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I understand that. I've probably spoken to about 2-3 hundred libertarians of varying degrees in my life. Not one of them has been for strict gun control and universal background checks like maher has. I think Maher's play of libertarianism is to make himself appear objective, I think he's really a liberal.


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Libertarianism acts like "white flight", as soon as someone moves into the neighborhood they find "objectionable", they pick up and move.
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:06 AM
 
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I think he's more of a progressive liberal, I don't hear Libertarians putting down, hating on Christians and calling women names.
he is a progressive leftist, not liberal.
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Libertarianism acts like "white flight", as soon as someone moves into the neighborhood they find "objectionable", they pick up and move.
It's always funny to watch folks who claim to be about individualism and liberty get so devoted to a dogmatic view of "libertarianism" that they immediately try to excommunicate those who do not believe exactly as they do. It is one of the fundamental absurdities of libertarianism that renders it toothless and irrelevant.
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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I think he repudiated the libertarian label around 2010. It had something to do with the Rand Paul candidacy and his view on the Civil Rights Act iirc. But he had never claimed to be a 100% doctrinaire libertarian.

I'm more libertarian than he is, but he's still funny as hell.
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