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Old 08-02-2013, 09:04 PM
 
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that my political affiliation even closely resembles that of Maher. Why doesn't he just come out and admit he's a liberal?
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Old 08-02-2013, 09:19 PM
 
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There are Conservative Libertarians (Ron Paul, Ayn Rand, John Stossel) and there are Libertarian Socialists (Bill Maher, Noam Chomsky, Abbie Hoffman).

Obviously these folks weren't/aren't completely rigid in their philosophies but generally speaking this is a good place to start.

Conservative Libertarians believe in personal freedom through what they see as legitimate institutions (banks, churches, even the current government if policies are adjusted correctly).

Libertarian Socialists believe in personal freedom but don't recognize the legitimacy of current institutions to work thru to achieve this freedom.

In a broad, broad, broad nutshell.

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Old 08-02-2013, 09:24 PM
 
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There are Conservative Libertarians (Ron Paul, Ayn Rand, John Stossel) and there Libertarian Socialists (Bill Maher, Noam Chomsky, Abbie Hoffman).

Obviously these folks weren't completely rigid in their philosophies but generally speaking this is a good place to start.

Conservative Libertarians believe in personal freedom through what they see as legitimate institutions (banks, churches, even the current government if policies are adjusted correctly).

Libertarian Socialists believe in personal freedom but don't recognize the legitimacy of current institutions to work thru to achieve this freedom.

In a broad, broad, broad nutshell.



I understand that. I've probably spoken to about 2-3 hundred libertarians of varying degrees in my life. Not one of them has been for strict gun control and universal background checks like maher has. I think Maher's play of libertarianism is to make himself appear objective, I think he's really a liberal.


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Old 08-02-2013, 09:30 PM
 
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I understand that. I've probably spoken to about 2-3 hundred libertarians of varying degrees in my life. Not one of them has been for strict gun control and universal background checks like maher has. I think Maher's play of libertarianism is to make himself appear objective, I think he's really a liberal.


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Not everyone is going to nail all the key points. I don't follow him all that much anymore but it wouldn't shock me if he hedged on things just to keep stirring the pot on his show and thru his public image.

I get nervous with labels but I'm a Libertarian Socialist IF I had to pick. I'm very pro-gun rights.
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Old 08-02-2013, 09:35 PM
 
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I understand that. I've probably spoken to about 2-3 hundred libertarians of varying degrees in my life. Not one of them has been for strict gun control and universal background checks like maher has. I think Maher's play of libertarianism is to make himself appear objective, I think he's really a liberal.


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I think he's more of a progressive liberal, I don't hear Libertarians putting down, hating on Christians and calling women names.
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Old 08-02-2013, 09:41 PM
 
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I think he's more of a progressive liberal, I don't hear Libertarians putting down, hating on Christians and calling women names.
Ya, forgot about his rep for that.

He really hates all religion and is pretty smarmy about it. Again, I haven't kept too current with him.

I'm not religious at all but I don't like that superior attitude SOME folks put on the religious.
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Old 08-02-2013, 09:55 PM
 
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I think he's more of a progressive liberal, I don't hear Libertarians putting down, hating on Christians and calling women names.
Bold is an oxymoron. Its like a "conservative liberal".
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Old 08-02-2013, 10:01 PM
 
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Bold is an oxymoron. Its like a "conservative liberal".
Which is just as dangerous.....
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Old 08-02-2013, 10:24 PM
 
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Love the "label" fights.
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Old 08-03-2013, 01:27 AM
 
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I understand that. I've probably spoken to about 2-3 hundred libertarians of varying degrees in my life. Not one of them has been for strict gun control and universal background checks like maher has. I think Maher's play of libertarianism is to make himself appear objective, I think he's really a liberal.


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Same here. Maher is very much for big powerful government, he licks the boots of every liberal politician. He just believes in no laws for drugs and thinks that the only thing that makes someone a libertatarian is to be pro-drug and hate all Christians.
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