If Obamacare is so Bad... (controversial, illegals, financial, elections)

[Winter_Sucks]

Originally Posted by pknopp

This isn't your initial argument. Do you want to discuss your original argument or do you now want to change it?

That was your response to my initial argument, so I responded. The two are completely polar opposite situations.

[Winter_Sucks]

Originally Posted by chucksnee

4+ years...

Parts of the law have been going into effect upon the signing of the law.

It's odd how you seem to know next to nothing about the law.

[JimRom]

Originally Posted by Winter_Sucks

Parts of the law have been going into effect upon the signing of the law.

It's odd how you seem to know next to nothing about the law.

And the parts that could be politically troublesome are now being pushed back until after the mid-terms.

[Little-Acorn]

Originally Posted by Winter_Sucks

If Obamacare is so bad, why don't Republicans just let the law go fully into place and sit back and watch how bad things get?

Because if they didn't, fanatic leftist spin pushers such as yourself who whine about all things conservative would be opening a thread right about now, saying

"If Obamacare is so bad, why aren't Republicans fighting it harder and trying to save the country from it?"

[GreenGene]

Originally Posted by chucksnee

So, it still does not ensure all Americans as it was sold to us....

No, it was never intended or "sold to us" as a program that would insure everyone. Right from the beginning, there was an option to opt out, and pay a penalty.

And after the Supreme Court decision that said that the Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act was unconstitutional, individual states can decide whether or not to accept such Medicaid expansion. The more states that decline means that the number of people who will go without health insurance increases.

[chucksnee]

Originally Posted by Winter_Sucks

It was never sold as insuring everyone. If you can't even be honest in a debate what's the point?

You are the one who is lying....

“We now face an opportunity – and an obligation – to turn the page on the failed
politics of yesterday’s health care debates,”Obama said in a speech posted on
his Web site. “My plan begins by covering every American.”

Obama calls for a national health plan, mandatory coverage for children | Orthopedics Today

"My plan begins by covering every American. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is the amount of money you will spend on premiums. That will be less," president Obama said in a May 2007 speech unveiling his health care plan. He continued making similar statements during last year's presidential campaign.

Obamacare's Moving Goalposts | National Review Online

“My plan begins by covering every American. If you already have health
insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is the amount
of money you will spend on premiums. That will be less,” Obama said in his May
2007 speech unveiling his health care plan.

There are 3 quotes with 2 sources, they all say the same thing....if you feel I'm wrong then all you have to do is provide something that says obama did not say those things...

[chucksnee]

Originally Posted by GreenGene

No, it was never intended or "sold to us" as a program that would insure everyone. Right from the beginning, there was an option to opt out, and pay a penalty.

And after the Supreme Court decision that said that the Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act was unconstitutional, individual states can decide whether or not to accept such Medicaid expansion. The more states that decline means that the number of people who will go without health insurance increases.

See post 26

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by Winter_Sucks

That was your response to my initial argument, so I responded. The two are completely polar opposite situations.

Right, you don't really want an answer to your question you just want to try and demonize those you disagree with but as we see, you failed.

[chucksnee]

Originally Posted by Winter_Sucks

Parts of the law have been going into effect upon the signing of the law.

It's odd how you seem to know next to nothing about the law.

I know a lot, you seem to be lacking on the knowledge and the honesty to provide some actual facts that back up your claim.

Now, back to the portion of the 30 million who are eligable and not enrolled, not including illegals....

Why have you failed to answer that, are you going to be honest with yourself?

[Winter_Sucks]

Originally Posted by JimRom

And the parts that could be politically troublesome are now being pushed back until after the mid-terms.

That was only the employer mandate.

Also, you are aware that there will be elections every two years after the 2014 midterm elections?