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that may be true, but back in the day, and i am talking when i was growing up, there were very few children that ran around unchecked in a restaurant, as their parents wouldnt let them. you might have one or two at most. today you can have several kids running around making a fuss. back in the day if we acted up in a restaurant, our parents shut us down quickly, today often times the children are encouraged by the parents to act up. back in the day if we acted up, our parents may not have spanked us, unless we needed it, but you can bet that not only were we shut down in the restaurant, we caught hell when we got home as well.
Same in school. God help you if you got in trouble at school. Worse trouble was waiting for you when you got home. Not so today.
The source that Harrier used did mention the map was out of date.
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This map appeared in the New York Times on 30 September 2006 (read the whole article here). It shows Utah as still allowing CP, but with an incidence of zero. In fact it has been banned there not by legislation but by regulation. (Since the map was published, paddling has also been outlawed in Ohio and New Mexico.)
show where i even suggested abusing a child. i dont disagree with child abuse laws, never have. i said teh CPS has too much power however, and needs to be reigned in. so again i ask SHOW ME WHERE I EVER HINTED AT ABUSING A CHILD. the truth is i didnt and you know it. you are writing total rubbish.
Here's your post--you've conveniently deleted it since you posted it, but I quoted it in post number 73 of this thread.
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ITS OBAMAS FAULT!!!!!! happy now? we cant blame obama, or any other president for that matter. this has been building for a long time, since the 50s in fact. if we want to blame anyone, blame the state legislatures and governors for passing child protection laws, and creating child protective services, and letting them go as far as they want to "protect" the children. when parents can go to jail for properly disciplining their children, CPS and CPS laws have gone too far. there is a huge difference between discipline, and abuse, unfortunately CPS tends to see abuse and not discipline.
As I said, parents spanking their own child isn't against the law ANYWHERE, unless you leave a mark or injure the child. If you're "disciplining" children to the point where you're concerned about child protective services getting involved, then you probably need to be in jail for child abuse anyway.
Speaking from experience, New York did in the 70s!
And that included Catholic schools. We had nuns with yardsticks and rulers.
Discipline was swift. There was no trip to the office or a call home. You misbehaved you were front and center of that class within 5 minutes and everyone witnessed the punishment. The student was sent back to his seat and class resumed like nothing happened. Those instances were rare and few in between but burned into all our memories.
And that included Catholic schools. We had nuns with yardsticks and rulers.
Discipline was swift. There was no trip to the office or a call home. You misbehaved you were front and center of that class within 5 minutes and everyone witnessed the punishment. The student was sent back to his seat and class resumed like nothing happened. Those instances were rare and few in between but burned into all our memories.
Yeah, and the nuns at the catholic school my husband went to terrorized the kids--they were MEAN, and often CRUEL. That's one reason why my HUSBAND was so dead set against hitting our kids. He can remember being hit up the side of the head with a ruler until he bled, and remembers one of his classmates wetting his pants in elementary when one of the nuns approached him with a yardstick, because he knew what was coming. Don't romanticize the past because lots of the time it's not very pretty.
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