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Old 08-15-2013, 07:19 PM
 
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..... some of the non-Vattelite birthers are starting to trot out that old argument that even though Obama's mother was an NBC, she wasn't old enough to pass that on to her son,.....
in 1961 stanley ann was a few months shy of the age/residency requirements to automatically transfer citizenship if she had given birth outside of the US. many birthers have confused this rule to include births inside the US.

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Of course, this completely ignores the fact that the president was born on U.S. soil....
yep.
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Old 08-15-2013, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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For the record, the original birthers were the Democrats who tried to say McCain was ineligible for the Presidency because he was born in Panama while his father was stationed there as an Admiral in the US Navy.

Huffington Post: Arizona law professor says McCain not eligible
Arizona Law Professor: McCain Not Eligible To Be President

NY Times: A citizen, but Natural Born? McCain's eligibility to be President is in question
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us...cain.html?_r=0

NBC Nightly News: McCain's citizenship called into question
McCain's citizenship called into question - NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams | NBC News
From one of the links:

" raised in the liberal blogosphere "

Any crackpot can create a blog and say anything. The media seizes upon it and by doing so, creates a perception of credibility. One can always find a nutty professor and an attorney to agree with anything and spout.
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Old 08-15-2013, 07:37 PM
 
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actually the legal challenges about mccain's eligibilty came from republicans, not democrats. also the origins of obama birtherism date back to march 2008, predating your links by 4months.

» The Secret Origin of the Birthers Birth Of A Notion
I never underestimate the influence of paid internet seeders.
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Old 08-15-2013, 07:48 PM
 
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in 1961 stanley ann was a few months shy of the age/residency requirements to automatically transfer citizenship if she had given birth outside of the US. many birthers have confused this rule to include births inside the US.



yep.
She was 18. How old would someone have to be to transfer citizenship, if given birth outside the U.S.?
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Old 08-15-2013, 08:12 PM
 
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She was 18. How old would someone have to be to transfer citizenship, if given birth outside the U.S.?
"For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child."

Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad

so, in stanley ann's case, she would have needed to be 19 (.....unless she was unmarried which opens up another can of worms over the legitimacy of the obama's marriage )
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Old 08-15-2013, 08:52 PM
 
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"For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child."

Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad

so, in stanley ann's case, she would have needed to be 19 (.....unless she was unmarried which opens up another can of worms over the legitimacy of the obama's marriage )
Is that because there's some sort of assumption that the mother will take her husband's citizenship? I'm wondering why out-of-wedlock births have less restrictions on them if the mother is a U.S. citizenship.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:11 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Wrong. No such e-mails exist. Nobody from the CLinton campaign has ever once been connected with the birthers.

A Hillary supporter did file the first lawsuit. But that was months after birthism has been invented and blown into a "controversy" at the right-wing web forum Free Republic.

It first surfaced in the primaries by a Clinton insider. Not after Obama had won the primaries.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:21 PM
 
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It first surfaced in the primaries by a Clinton insider.
what's your support for this claim?

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Not after Obama had won the primaries.
nobody has suggested birtherism started after obama won the nomination.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:32 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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what's your support for this claim?



nobody has suggested birtherism started after obama won the nomination.

You have to read Historydude post that I was replying to.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:35 PM
 
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I'm wondering why out-of-wedlock births have less restrictions on them if the mother is a U.S. citizenship.
just a guess but most likely in 1961 more countries denied "citizenship thru blood" (jus sanguinis) if the father was unmarried. if the mother gave birth in a country that didn't recognize jus soli ( "citizenship from soil" ) then the child would literally be without any citizenship.
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