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Old 08-16-2013, 04:54 PM
 
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Obviously the Irish, Poles, etc. are fully integrated into our culture and make productive, civil members of our nation. Suppose the Irish who sailed over here didn't have to work hard to support their families. They could get free food, housing and medical care from the government. How would they be doing today?
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Old 08-16-2013, 07:34 PM
 
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Interesting question, my family is Irish, and came here during the Civil War, they all worked on the railroad. Settled in Utah.

I suppose they would have got off the boat in Boston, and stayed there.
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Old 08-16-2013, 07:45 PM
 
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Obviously the Irish, Poles, etc. are fully integrated into our culture and make productive, civil members of our nation. Suppose the Irish who sailed over here didn't have to work hard to support their families. They could get free food, housing and medical care from the government. How would they be doing today?
This is the problem with modern immigration. People for the first 200 years didn't come here and become leaches the fed of the state. You either worked or you starved to death. Now there were always complaints of immigrants taking native jobs and driving down wages, but at least they worked. Now many of them still take jobs and drive down wages, but they also bring their entire extended family with them to live off of the government teat. Repeal the 1965 immigration act and restore some sanity to the system.

BTW, before some calls me racist or casting a straw-man, I've seen some of the worst abuse from former residents of the USSR. I know entire families, from great grandma down to 20 grand children who live in section 8 housing getting WIC, medicaid, and food stamps. Three to four generations, all on some form of assistance. It is disgusting and should have never been allowed to happen.
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Old 08-16-2013, 10:17 PM
 
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Obviously the Irish, Poles, etc. are fully integrated into our culture and make productive, civil members of our nation. Suppose the Irish who sailed over here didn't have to work hard to support their families. They could get free food, housing and medical care from the government. How would they be doing today?
Well many Italians came when welfare existed how did they turn out????
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Old 08-16-2013, 10:20 PM
 
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There is a church on Queen Street- and school ground next to it- Under the pavement are buried over 300 Irish who died of a plague- There was no welfare- they just stuck them in the slums to fend for themselves.
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Old 08-16-2013, 10:25 PM
 
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Obviously the Irish, Poles, etc. are fully integrated into our culture and make productive, civil members of our nation. Suppose the Irish who sailed over here didn't have to work hard to support their families. They could get free food, housing and medical care from the government. How would they be doing today?
Back then, immigrants came here to make something [i]of[i] themselves and achieve the American Dream. The government wasn't printing handouts in (insert foreign language here) teaching them how to go about receiving benefits as soon as they got off the boat.

To answer your question, if they were given goodies as soon as they arrived, and had the promise of monthly benefits, they would still be wallowing in ethnic ghettos at the port city in which they first arrived
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Old 08-17-2013, 01:24 AM
 
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Suppose the U.S. had welfare back when Irish immigrants came in the 1800's

They did, it was through the churches. People use to join together and help their neighbors. People from other countries would end up living in the same communities and help each other. It was a much better system as well. As soon as the families got on their feet they went to work and did not expect their neighbors to support them for life.
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Old 08-17-2013, 01:39 AM
 
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Obviously the Irish, Poles, etc. are fully integrated into our culture and make productive, civil members of our nation. Suppose the Irish who sailed over here didn't have to work hard to support their families. They could get free food, housing and medical care from the government. How would they be doing today?
What if they had cheap air travel?

What if they had cheap cell phones to keep in touch with everyone in the old country?

What if they had a multitude of Gaelic language television and radio that catered to them?

At the minimum having their medical, housing and food subsidized by taxpayers would mean more Western Union money being sent back to the old country instead of being spent in the US economy.
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Old 08-17-2013, 01:42 AM
 
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Obviously the Irish, Poles, etc. are fully integrated into our culture and make productive, civil members of our nation. Suppose the Irish who sailed over here didn't have to work hard to support their families. They could get free food, housing and medical care from the government. How would they be doing today?
Not good, instead of attracting the hard working ones, the welfare handouts would have lured in all the losers from Ireland and they'd still be mooching off food stamps and Medicaid. Welfare programs do not improve anyone and they certainly don't get us the quality immigrants.
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Old 08-17-2013, 01:51 AM
 
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Well many Italians came when welfare existed how did they turn out????
A comically tiny 6,500 Italian immigrants arrived during the year welfare was established(1935).

Welfare was started during the great Immigration Pause, and poverty/welfare use predictably skyrocketed once the 1965 immigration act opened the floodgates.

https://www.mtholyoke.edu/~molna22a/...anhistory.html
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