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Old 06-26-2015, 10:01 PM
 
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This is quite interesting to read. This is a research study article created by Timothy J Dailey, Ph.D.,Senior Fellow for the Center for Marriage and Family Studies about the lifestyle comparison between homosexual couples and married heterosexuals. I thought this would be compelling to read and discuss considering the recent Supreme Court Rulings. We should know what to expect from our homosexual brothers and sisters.

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Comparing the Lifestyles of Homosexual Couples to Married Couples

"Married and Gay Couples Not All that Different," proclaimed the headline of a news article portraying homosexual households as remarkably similar to married couples. "We're the couple next door," claimed one partnered homosexual. "We have a dog and a cat. I drive a Volvo. I'm boring." Such down-home portrayals of homosexual couples are meant to provoke the question: Since gay couples really differ only in that both partners are of the same sex, what rational basis exists for denying them full marriage rights?

Are homosexual households, as the article suggests, simply another variant of human relationships that should be considered, along with marriage, as "part of mainstream American society"?

On the contrary, the evidence indicates that "committed" homosexual relationships are radically different from married couples in several key respects.
Here are some of the most intriguing points of the study

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In The Sexual Organization of the City, University of Chicago sociologist Edward Laumann argues that "typical gay city inhabitants spend most of their adult lives in 'transactional' relationships, or short-term commitments of less than six months."

A study of homosexual men in the Netherlands published in the journal AIDS found that the "duration of steady partnerships" was 1.5 years.

In his study of male homosexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, Pollak found that "few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners."

In Male and Female Homosexuality, Saghir and Robins found that the average male homosexual live-in relationship lasts between two and three years.

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Old 06-26-2015, 10:09 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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You can find promiscuous heterosexuals, too. Plenty of them. And guess what? The divorce rate of heterosexual marriages has been about 50%.. So spare us the moralizing.

I'm sure there are plenty of promiscuous gay people, but you do not confer or deny rights based on this. I also know gay people who have been in committed relationships for DECADES. You can't paint them all with one brush in a thinly-veiled attempt to deny them relationship rights.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 10:36 PM
 
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This is quite interesting to read. This is a research study article created by Timothy J Dailey, Ph.D.,Senior Fellow for the Center for Marriage and Family Studies about the lifestyle comparison between homosexual couples and married heterosexuals. I thought this would be compelling to read and discuss considering the recent Supreme Court Rulings. We should know what to expect from our homosexual brothers and sisters.



Here are some of the most intriguing points of the study
The FRC? Really?
Sorry, Tim Dailey is well known as a bigoted conservative religious anti-gay crusader and has no credentials in this area. His PhD is in Theology. What you linked to is not a 'research study', it's a disgusting piece of anti-gay propaganda with easily exposed deliberate lies and completely dishonest distortion of the research of others.

I prefer the legitimate research of two of the most well known and respected researchers on marriage and relationships - Dr John Gottman and Dr Julie Gottman:

https://www.gottman.com/gay-lesbian-research/
"Dr. Gottman and his colleagues conducted a twelve-year study of same-sex couples to learn what makes same-sex relationships succeed or fail. The research demonstrates that all couple types—straight or gay—have many of the same problems and the same paths to staying happy together. But research has shown that there are also some qualities of strength (like humor and ability to calm down during a fight) that are especially key to same-sex couples."
Heterosexual Couples can Learn from Gays and Lesbians
Research suggests that married heterosexual couples can learn a great deal from gay and lesbian couples.

John Gottman, one of the lead authors is quoted as saying that "Gay and lesbian couples are a lot more mature, more considerate in trying to improve a relationship and have a greater awareness of equality in a relationship than straight couples. I think that in 200 years heterosexual relationships will be where gay and lesbian relationships are today."


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Old 06-26-2015, 10:42 PM
 
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Originally Posted by allenk893 View Post
This is quite interesting to read. This is a research study article created by Timothy J Dailey, Ph.D.,Senior Fellow for the Center for Marriage and Family Studies about the lifestyle comparison between homosexual couples and married heterosexuals. I thought this would be compelling to read and discuss considering the recent Supreme Court Rulings. We should know what to expect from our homosexual brothers and sisters.



Here are some of the most intriguing points of the study
What do you mean "what we should expect"? In today's society marriage means nothing and divorce seems to be the norm with heterosexual couples. On the other hand, I know gay couples who have been together for 20 plus years.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 10:53 PM
 
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. We should know what to expect from our homosexual brothers and sisters.

We already know what to expect from our bigoted conservative religious anti-gay 'brothers and sisters' like Tim Dailey and his ilk.

We've been hearing the same ignorant, dishonest and long debunked 'smear and fear' propaganda for years.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 11:00 PM
 
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What do you mean "what we should expect"? In today's society marriage means nothing and divorce seems to be the norm with heterosexual couples. On the other hand, I know gay couples who have been together for 20 plus years.


That means nothing as well.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 11:02 PM
 
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We already know what to expect from our bigoted conservative religious anti-gay 'brothers and sisters' like Tim Dailey and his ilk.

We've been hearing the same ignorant, dishonest and long debunked 'smear and fear' propaganda for years.
And even if the study were true, so what?
 
Old 06-26-2015, 11:11 PM
 
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And even if the study were true, so what?
For starters, it's not a 'research study' as the OP claims. It also shows how the anti-gay religious crusaders are prepared to lie through their little pearly whites to vilify gay and lesbian people.

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Old 06-26-2015, 11:48 PM
 
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We already know what to expect from our bigoted conservative religious anti-gay 'brothers and sisters' like Tim Dailey and his ilk.

We've been hearing the same ignorant, dishonest and long debunked 'smear and fear' propaganda for years.
That's interesting because I want to know what point or fact of the article was debunked? Perhaps in your delusions of grandeur? All of the research studies were legitimate and peer reviewed and the article even had references and sources to where the studies and information originated from, the authors who wrote it, and the cited studies from the published books it came from. You can clamor on about the author all you want to but you won't do is try to sit there and claim any of it weren't legitimate facts. Here are the references. There are more than 56 sourced. I'll link 10 of them just to narrow it down for you since you may have some comprehension issues.

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Comparing the Lifestyles of Homosexual Couples to Married Couples

1. Robert Gebeloff and Mary Jo Patterson, "Married and Gay Couples Are Not All that Different" Times-Picayune (November 22, 2003).

2. Matthew D. Bramlett and William D. Mosher, "First Marriage Dissolution, Divorce and Remarriage: United States," Advance Data, National Center for Health Statistics (May 31, 2001): 1.

3. Rose M. Kreider and Jason M. Fields, "Number, Timing, and Duration of Marriages and Divorces: 1996" Current Population Reports, P70-80, U.S. Census Bureau, Washington, D.C. (February 2002): 5.

4. "Largest Gay Study Examines 2004 Relationships," GayWire Latest Breaking Releases, glcensus.org.

5. Adrian Brune, "City Gays Skip Long-term Relationships: Study Says," Washington Blade (February 27, 04): 12.

6. Maria Xiridou, et al, "The Contribution of Steady and Casual Partnerships to the Incidence of HIV Infection among Homosexual Men in Amsterdam," AIDS 17 (2003): 1031.

7. M. Pollak, "Male Homosexuality," in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, ed. P. Aries and A. Bejin, translated by Anthony Forster (New York, NY: B. Blackwell, 1985): 40-61, cited by Joseph Nicolosi in Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality (Northvale, New Jersey: Jason Aronson Inc., 1991): 124, 125.

8. M. Saghir and E. Robins, Male and Female Homosexuality (Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1973): 225; L. A. Peplau and H. Amaro, "Understanding Lesbian Relationships," in Homosexuality:Social, Psychological, and Biological Issues, ed. J. Weinrich and W. Paul (Beverly Hills: Sage, 1982).

9. Michael W. Wiederman, "Extramarital Sex: Prevalence and Correlates in a National Survey," Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 170.

10. E. O. Laumann et al., The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States (Chicago:University of Chicago Press, 1994 ): 216.
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I prefer the legitimate research of two of the most well known and respected researchers on marriage and relationships - Dr John Gottman and Dr Julie Gottman:

https://www.gottman.com/gay-lesbian-research/
Legitimate research? What research is that exactly? I scanned the entire web page you linked for an original source to the research studies Mr and Mrs. Gottman have quoted and couldn't find a SINGLE one. They provided a link to the Journal of Homosexuality for one of their sources and what it brought up was an empty broken link to a stanford psychology pdf document.

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"Dr. Gottman and his colleagues conducted a twelve-year study of same-sex couples to learn what makes same-sex relationships succeed or fail. The research demonstrates that all couple types—straight or gay—have many of the same problems and the same paths to staying happy together. But research has shown that there are also some qualities of strength (like humor and ability to calm down during a fight) that are especially key to same-sex couples."

Heterosexual Couples can Learn from Gays and Lesbians[indent]Research suggests that married heterosexual couples can learn a great deal from gay and lesbian couples.
Oh yes, how legitimate. An opinion piece from an about.com article stating what natural couples can learn from the abnormal. And even more wonderful, no sources whatsoever. This is too damn easy.

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Old 06-26-2015, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Too late......It's time to give up and accept defeat allen...You've lost and I'm happy about that....
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