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The middle class in socialized medicine countries shoulder the majority of the taxes for healthcare.
That's not the way the democrats in the USA want to pay for healthcare in the USA. We have a substantial population in this country who pay far less in taxes than the same population in other countries (middle class and lower middle class).
The UK's short term capital gains rate is significantly much less than the US's short term rates. It's 28% rate in the UK compared to almost 40% in the USA for the wealthy plus the wealthy have to have an additional "Medicare surtax" on the already high 40% short term rate. U are talking about a 43% short term capital gains rate compared to 28% for the UK.
And in other countries the capital gains rate are as low as zero to 20% short term rates.
Understood and agreed.
Corporate tax rates should also come into play if payroll deduction of a health care premium were considered.
Your assertions that the care we receive is no better than other countries is just plain wrong. I have lived, not visited, but lived in 4 European countries, and have seen and in some cases had to use their health care systems. They are not close to the level care we have in the US.
You are not the only person to have lived in other countries. I have also lived and worked in Europe and I have family who live and work in Europe. And you are simply wrong in your assertions. Both from a personal/anecdotal perspective as well as in terms of the key indicators, their health care is just as good as ours and a lot cheaper.
But this isn't about their systems. This is about an American system that costs far far too much.
We are not getting value for money from our system. For every dollar we spend, 25% goes to administration because our system is horribly fragmented and inefficient. We pay far too much for meds and we pay grossly inflated prices for hospital visits and routine medical supplies.
Judging by your posts, your are totally hung up on liberal/conservative ideology. This isn't about ideology. This is about getting high quality health care at a reasonable price.
There is a difference between having lived abroad for a long period of time by choice, and living in different countries for temporary assignments, on military bases because you are in the army.
Ive been fighting cancer for the last 1.5 years in a large city in the US. I have never had to wait for a DR appt, MRI any kind of treatments or therapies.
On the day i was diagnosed I had an MRI at the regional hosp near me. Saw my orthapedist who spotted the mast(literally walked into his offrice unannounced with a disk of theMRI). Was sent to the community medical center in the city where I saw an Oncologist and a Surgeon for to set up a biopsy and evaluation to install a port.
IN one freakin day.
Since then I have never waited for anything. In fact the DRs, cancer treatment centers and specialists are all available at the drop of a hat if needed and comfortably a few days out if i dont need care or treatment now. I am abolutely in the best place on this planet to be fighting this awful disease, no doubt in my mind
Ive been fighting cancer for the last 1.5 years in a large city in the US. I have never had to wait for a DR appt, MRI any kind of treatments or therapies.
On the day i was diagnosed I had an MRI at the regional hosp near me. Saw my orthapedist who spotted the mast(literally walked into his offrice unannounced with a disk of theMRI). Was sent to the community medical center in the city where I saw an Oncologist and a Surgeon for to set up a biopsy and evaluation to install a port.
IN one freakin day.
Since then I have never waited for anything. In fact the DRs, cancer treatment centers and specialists are all available at the drop of a hat if needed and comfortably a few days out if i dont need care or treatment now. I am abolutely in the best place on this planet to be fighting this awful disease, no doubt in my mind
the US is the best place to get treatment if you didn't have to worry about medical bills.
It's the cost and its the access for those that can't afford it that is the problem.
even with your insurance a cancer diagnosis can cost six figures.
the US is the best place to get treatment if you didn't have to worry about medical bills.
It's the cost and its the access for those that can't afford it that is the problem.
even with your insurance a cancer diagnosis can cost six figures.
It isn't even that simple. The uninsured get better care than people on medicaid. The actual cost is a relevant issue, but most people are focusing on how to deliver free care and not reduce the cost of care.
the US is the best place to get treatment if you didn't have to worry about medical bills.
It's the cost and its the access for those that can't afford it that is the problem.
even with your insurance a cancer diagnosis can cost six figures.
And this is why so many Americans who do have insurance worry about with single payer or universal health care. Remember while 50 million currently do not have insurance. Frankly I have seen the breakdown of the 50 million. Something like 10-15 million households earn over 75k. And 15 million are young people ages 18-25 give or take. Most young people outside of the few who have pre existing conditions can usually get a comprehensive medical plan for less than the amount they pay on their monthly smartphone cell phone bill each month along with a $2500 deductible.
So the true "uninsurable or those who can't afford insurance probably is a lot less than the 50 million number we see".
Of those that have insurance. 60-65% get it through employers or are self employed and get their own plans in private market. 15% get it through Medicare. The rest 20% are through medicaid or military system.
So what concerns the Americans. The 80% that's have access to private hospital system (those with private insurance or medicare). Military systems are restricted as are medicaid patients. You are asking 80% of those with insurance that potentially their health care access could change with a single payer system. Thus the huge debates and why no one believes Obama when he says "you can keep your healthcare and keep your doctors".
And this is why so many Americans who do have insurance worry about with single payer or universal health care. Remember while 50 million currently do not have insurance. Frankly I have seen the breakdown of the 50 million. Something like 10-15 million households earn over 75k. And 15 million are young people ages 18-25 give or take. Most young people outside of the few who have pre existing conditions can usually get a comprehensive medical plan for less than the amount they pay on their monthly smartphone cell phone bill each month along with a $2500 deductible.
So the true "uninsurable or those who can't afford insurance probably is a lot less than the 50 million number we see".
Of those that have insurance. 60-65% get it through employers or are self employed and get their own plans in private market. 15% get it through Medicare. The rest 20% are through medicaid or military system.
So what concerns the Americans. The 80% that's have access to private hospital system (those with private insurance or medicare). Military systems are restricted as are medicaid patients. You are asking 80% of those with insurance that potentially their health care access could change with a single payer system. Thus the huge debates and why no one believes Obama when he says "you can keep your healthcare and keep your doctors".
I've lived in Germany and the UK and the health care systems there are so much superior to the US its not even close. Especially Germany.
So whenever someone starts ranting about single-payer being bad etc honestly I just tune them out. It's nonsense.
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