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Old 09-12-2013, 11:20 PM
 
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Okay. The decision to kill a person has already been made. That has nothing to do with this. A rescheduling is inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.

Your reference to Texas is about a completely different issue. Nothing to do with this.

I would think one would be able to come up with much more ethically substantial objections to the practice of executions.
You are ABSOLUTELY WRONG about "rescheduling" an execution being inconsequential. EVERY PROSECUTOR in this state fights extremely hard to expedite executions. There are a number of "warrant eligible" inmates on death row who can legally be executed right now. In fact, if an inmate tries to commit suicide, the State will spent enormous amounts of money on medical expenses to BRING HIM/HER BACK TO LIFE so the STATE can execute them. Ms. Bondi just put all the State Attorneys in Florida to shame. AND she proved it's really just all about "notches on one's belt" for those prosecutors.

The Death Penalty is strictly POLITICAL. Politicians, like Ms. Bondi, who bragged that she had personally put two people on death row, can use those kinds of "records" to win elections. However, when it came to re-election campaigns, she just proved that all her talk about putting two people on death row was just more politics. Nothing "moral" about it. Of course, IMO, Ms. Bondi can behave as dumb as a box of rocks, has no moral center, and obviously can use some instructions in terms of ethics.

ACCORDING to the Governor AND the ATTORNEY GENERAL, sticking to the set execution date is enormously important, UNLESS you have a campaign fundraiser to attend.

Delaying an execution involves a LOT of changes at the prison. If the execution is delayed for a certain number of days, say, for an appeal issue, then the inmate for which the warrant was signed is moved back to a different level of security. I, for one, am delighted that this inmate gets 20 days or so more of life. Yes, every extra day for people in that position is precious. And I'm interested to see that Ms. Bondi and Governor Scott have shown what is most important to them. IMO, Scott has executed specific inmates in order to bring up his approval numbers in Florida, and that's the only reason he signed those warrants. Again, IMO, he could not care less who he's killing but only that it will bring a grieving family member to the attention of the public and give him small rise in approval points.
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Old 09-12-2013, 11:33 PM
 
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The decision to kill the guy was made years ago. (twice in fact) He has been in jail for over 20 years.

Also, if you read up on Mr. Gore....he was a budding serial killer and they tied him to 2 deaths with DNA evidence and the 3rd gal barely survived his attack and he was caught with a kidnapped child upon his arrest.

Um, it would take me about 5minutes to review Mr. Gores clemency request. Denied. How long exactly does it take when someone is caught that redhanded?
Death Penalty law and procedure is very complicated and complex. After all, once someone is dead, you can't take it back. The FACT IS, innocent people are convicted. You can see that's true from the "new" DNA technology. I would rather see actual guilty people spending life without parole, than have a death penalty (IMPERFECT ADMINISTRATION/SYSTEM) which most certainly have killed innocent people.

You need to step back and look at the big picture. This particular inmate may indeed be guilty. But killing him does not justify killing those who have been wrongly convicted, and there are those. In Florida, I think it has been about 22 people who have been released for being wrongful convictions. Certainly there were many, BEFORE DNA technology would prove their innocence, who were executed.

And NOW we see that it doesn't really matter to at least ONE prosecutor, Attorney General, Pam Bondi when they execute this inmate as long as it doesn't interfere with her "party" plans. If you only knew how intense the legal battles are in these cases and how much the State fights against any NEW evidence, you might understand the outrage at Ms. Bondi's behavior.

Google Frank Lee Smith for an example. The State fought AGAINST having new evidence reviewed until Frank Lee Smith died a horrible death in the very inadequate prison medical system, and withing a few weeks, not only did DNA prove he was innocent, but it also proved who did commit the murder, and that person was institutionalized in the State Mental Hospital for another gruesome crime.
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Old 09-13-2013, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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There is no graver responsibility and act of state government than an execution.

In Florida this week, a campaign fundraiser takes precedence.

Attorney General Pam Bondi persuaded Gov. Rick Scott to postpone an execution scheduled for tonight because it conflicted with her re-election kick-off reception.

Execution rescheduled to accommodate Pam Bondi fundraiser | Tampa Bay Times

I used to think I would never support any state's attempts to secede from the union, but then there's Florida...
Florida GOP? Try again.
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Old 09-18-2013, 03:25 PM
 
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Death Penalty law and procedure is very complicated and complex. After all, once someone is dead, you can't take it back. The FACT IS, innocent people are convicted. You can see that's true from the "new" DNA technology. I would rather see actual guilty people spending life without parole, than have a death penalty (IMPERFECT ADMINISTRATION/SYSTEM) which most certainly have killed innocent people.

You need to step back and look at the big picture. This particular inmate may indeed be guilty. But killing him does not justify killing those who have been wrongly convicted, and there are those. In Florida, I think it has been about 22 people who have been released for being wrongful convictions. Certainly there were many, BEFORE DNA technology would prove their innocence, who were executed.

And NOW we see that it doesn't really matter to at least ONE prosecutor, Attorney General, Pam Bondi when they execute this inmate as long as it doesn't interfere with her "party" plans. If you only knew how intense the legal battles are in these cases and how much the State fights against any NEW evidence, you might understand the outrage at Ms. Bondi's behavior.

Google Frank Lee Smith for an example. The State fought AGAINST having new evidence reviewed until Frank Lee Smith died a horrible death in the very inadequate prison medical system, and withing a few weeks, not only did DNA prove he was innocent, but it also proved who did commit the murder, and that person was institutionalized in the State Mental Hospital for another gruesome crime.
I was talking about that specific individual, who was CLEARLY caught red-handed.

Since we want to talk about the DP in general my take is that:

1) It should ONLY be an option in cases where the person was caught with no question of innocence. No eye-witness only garbage....I'm talking Dahmer, Gacy....100% guilty.

2) Life no-parole should be offered but requires full disclosure. If you don't have the DP on the books, you lack the leverage to do this, I point specifically to the Green River Killer in Washington who took this deal and helped close many old cases and bring closure to families.
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