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Old 09-21-2013, 08:07 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I doubt one needs to go through four years of medical school and then residency to smother the life out of a three month old fetus.
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Old 09-21-2013, 08:09 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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1. FYI abortion is not infanticide. two different topics
2. viability comes into play.
3. women are not stupid we know what abortion is. that call belongs to her alone. not you.
4. get a dictionary
1. Sure, but this does not necessarily mean that the moral justifiability of these things is different.

2. Sure, but again, it is still her body. Out of curiosity, though, would you support a ban on most or all abortions if all of the embryos/non-viable fetuses can be safely removed from women's bodies/uteruses and be placed in artificial wombs instead?

3. I'm not sure if you quite got me here. I'm saying here that I don't see the problem that some pro-abortion choice people have with abortion considering that they consider embryos/non-viable fetuses to only be a "clump of cells."

4. I do not see the need for a dictionary here.
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Old 09-21-2013, 08:10 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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I doubt one needs to go through four years of medical school and then residency to smother the life out of a three month old fetus.
Are you sure about this? I've heard that some non-experienced people previously performed abortions but screwed up when they performed these abortions.
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Old 09-21-2013, 08:16 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Are you sure about this? I've heard that some non-experienced people previously performed abortions but screwed up when they performed these abortions.
Probably just like taking candy from a baby, but in this case you're killing one.
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Old 09-21-2013, 08:35 PM
 
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1. Sure, but this does not necessarily mean that the moral justifiability of these things is different.

2. Sure, but again, it is still her body. Out of curiosity, though, would you support a ban on most or all abortions if all of the embryos/non-viable fetuses can be safely removed from women's bodies/uteruses and be placed in artificial wombs instead?

3. I'm not sure if you quite got me here. I'm saying here that I don't see the problem that some pro-abortion choice people have with abortion considering that they consider embryos/non-viable fetuses to only be a "clump of cells."

4. I do not see the need for a dictionary here.

morality is subjective. I do see a difference between abortion and infanticide as do a great deal of other people.

I would not support any ban on abortion. even using your suggestion a woman would have to undergo a treatment of some sort which she may not want to do. no one should force a woman to undergo anything to her body she does not wish to happen. this includes, pregnancy, birth, abortion or removal of an embryo for transfer.

you can't put all pro choice people in one camp. in fact many anti choice folks are pro choice when it comes to rape or incest. how one views abortion personally has no bearing on how the woman faced with choice views it. her view is the only view that matters. a pregnancy is potential life until you give birth.

you need a dictionary if you think abortion and infanticide are the same thing.
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Old 09-21-2013, 09:01 PM
 
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There is enough women now being seen in the ER for having been messed up by botched abortions. The doctors there are tired of seeing them and trying to fix the problems done to them. Now they are going to let people with less medical knowledge take over doing abortions? Even more women will be hurt.
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Old 09-21-2013, 09:34 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Well, we do have 'non doctors' actually delivering babies, no? Otherwise known as midwives?

So why could not other medical personnel such as NP's, etc perform abortions?
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Old 09-21-2013, 10:17 PM
 
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I don't see a problem with this. Abortions aren't that difficult to perform, in general. If it saves money, then what's the problem?
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Old 09-21-2013, 11:06 PM
 
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Well, we do have 'non doctors' actually delivering babies, no? Otherwise known as midwives?

So why could not other medical personnel such as NP's, etc perform abortions?
Child birth is natural. Not much can go wrong if the baby comes out head first. Abortion is inserting sharp instruments into the woman and pulling the baby through the birth canal. If it is not done right the woman can get perforations into the bowel and death. I would not trust anyone other than a trained doctor.
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Old 09-21-2013, 11:07 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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I don't see a problem with this. Abortions aren't that difficult to perform, in general. If it saves money, then what's the problem?
Have you ever performed one?
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