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Old 09-19-2013, 05:05 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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There is truth to this.
The GOP is transforming and taking a more Libertarian slant. Pretty much what they once were.
We're once Libertarian when? The Republican Party was the liberal party in the time of Lincoln. It morphed into a pro-business party but was primarily a moderate party. It never was a Libertarian party. When the GOP got shellacked in 1964, the moved to the center again.

 
Old 09-19-2013, 05:19 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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what a coincidence, five reasons i just dont care. if the republicans put out a good budget, and can get it passed in the house with even a few democrat votes, then it will be on the democrats in the senate to pass a budget, and the american people are in fact watching. if the republicans hold fast, they may just end up with an advantage in 2014.
If both sides hold fast everyone loses, I don't think anyone would agree that going to a shutdown helps the republicans in 2014. They already got their cuts least year although they were pretty much across the board rather than in a rational well thought out method.
 
Old 09-19-2013, 05:26 AM
 
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If both sides hold fast everyone loses, I don't think anyone would agree that going to a shutdown helps the republicans in 2014. They already got their cuts least year although they were pretty much across the board rather than in a rational well thought out method.
Right like any of the welfare recipients in America would vote Republican.

The Rs have nothing to lose here.
 
Old 09-19-2013, 05:28 AM
 
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Yep. And he was being a stupid partisan hack in 2006.
Stupid is as stupid does.
 
Old 09-19-2013, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Houston
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You will be waiting alot longer, after 8 years of Obama....the hill you will have to battle up will be so big it will make MT Everest look like a speed bump.
LOL no we won't. Republicans are toast.
 
Old 09-19-2013, 05:39 AM
 
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To summarize the 5 points: Republican obstructionism.
Really? Republican obstructionism. While your sound bite fits well in the snippet style arena of threaded discussions, it simply has little basis in fact. Jay Carney, the White House spokesman let it slip just this week that the White House and Senate will let the government shut down. Tell me more about how Republicans are responsible. If Republicans do not support what the White House and Harry Reid want, they both threaten a shut down, but now it is the Republicans in the House that are to blame.

If you want to talk about real obstructionism, and utter failure to govern, lets discuss the last time the Senate actually passed a budget. It was over four years ago. Democrats controlled the oval office, the House, and the Senate at the time, so they cannot blame the Republicans for that failure.
 
Old 09-19-2013, 05:57 AM
 
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And Obamacare has never enjoyed majority support amongst the American people. You don't have a mandate to implement the ACA. You lost. Good day, sir.
If you break down each major provision in Obamacare it has huge support, even from Republicans. Congressional Republicans are so afraid of Obamacare being implemented and working that they will try anything to stop it before it actually starts to benefit the American people.

I guess you missed the part of the 2012 presidential election where Romney said he would repeal Obamacare and Obama said he would keep Obamacare in place. Obama won. You lost. Good day, sir.
 
Old 09-23-2013, 09:02 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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Default Government shutdown means a paid vacation for federal workers???

So in the past when there was a government shutdown federal employees did not go to work, yet still received back pay. So its like a extra paid vacation.

See Big Brother never loses.
 
Old 09-24-2013, 07:58 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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So looks like these federal workers do get a good deal. When Clinton caused the last shutdown, these workers didn't go to work and still got paid as it they did.
 
Old 09-24-2013, 08:56 PM
 
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That was a different congress, a different economy, and a very different era. Congress would have to pass a bill for any "non-essential" federal employee to receive back pay after the end of a government shutdown. Considering how unproductive this congress has been, the odds of the feds getting paid during a shutdown this time is very very low. Congress is much more likely to pocket the savings and use it towards the deficit or something else, not paying federal employees for not working.
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