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Once upon a time, if Republicans or Democrats didn't like certain laws or policies, they actually went to the trouble of winning elections that garnered sufficient control of the House, Senate, and White House to move forward with an agenda through the legislative process. That was the intent of the Constitution.
Now, since that hasn't worked out for them, supposedly Constitution-loving Republicans have decided to toss all that out the window and just use what hold they have in the House to conduct plain and simple economic terrorism.
We can't get what we want through legislation? Fine, we'll shut down the government, slash the credit rating, and screw over the economy.
It's disgusting, and no decent, Constitution-loving person should stand for this, regardless of their personal opinion of Obamacare.
When the government shuts down in a few days and bills/benefits already owed stop being paid; the nation's credit rating gets downgraded and interest on foreign debt shoots up; and your IRA/401K takes a hefty hit...remember come next election that you have the Republicans to thank for this. They will own 100% of it.
The rest of us sane members of the United States should not negotiate with terrorists.
The stock market, housing market and interest payment on the national debt have all been artificially helped by record QE stimulus. Seems sooner or later the economy would have to rapidly grow to catch up or a drop would happen.
Is life all quid pro quo? What does that question have to do with Congress?
How is your example about feeding your kids related to Congress? I really don't see the connection.
If you delay the individual mandate that guts and destroys the law.
No conservatives are playing strange Kabuki Theater and holding the economy hostage. They should just do what they already say needs to be done and vote to fund the government.
Sorry you don't understand what 'quid pro quo' is .... you were the one who said "what does the President get out of this?"
Explain why the Presidential delay of the Business Mandate does NOT "gut the law", but the delay of the Individual Mandate WILL "gut the law". Does that mean you are only in favor of Individuals paying for ObamaCare and Business should get a "pass"?
For the record ..... I'm very against ANY delay for any part of ObamaCare. I want every part of it to begin on schedule, just exactly as it was written and signed into law. That would include the part about CongressCritters and workers on Capitol Hill adhering to the law as written and not getting 'special' subsidies. I'm against all 19 of the "Delays" that HHS and the Obama Administration have unilaterally decided to "delay". If they think they need ANY delays - send it to Congress, but they haven't done that. The House has chosen to pass a bill making all these unilateral Presidential Delays legal - if the first 19 delays didn't "gut and destroy the law", why would #20 do it?
Why should a Janitor working as federal employee cleaning up the offices of a government agency be blamed for Obama's problems? Should he be paid later than some millionaire on Social Security? Not everyone working for the Federal Government is evil!
Now back to my original question!
I'd imagine social security gets payed out because it's a separate program. It's basically a pension program. They hold government debt (which won't be getting paid) but I'm sure they still have a fair amount of cash on hand for short term.
Once upon a time, if Republicans or Democrats didn't like certain laws or policies, they actually went to the trouble of winning elections that garnered sufficient control of the House, Senate, and White House to move forward with an agenda through the legislative process. That was the intent of the Constitution.
Now, since that hasn't worked out for them, supposedly Constitution-loving Republicans have decided to toss all that out the window and just use what hold they have in the House to conduct plain and simple economic terrorism.
Oh, please. I don't think you have a clue as to the intent of the Constitution. Have you ever heard the term, "checks and balances" in regards to our system of government?
And, which party flouts the Constitution on a daily basis? It isn't the Republican Party.
If the Democrats had any respect for the Constitution, the ACA would never have seen the light of day, but they rammed it through, against the will of the people, and in violation of the spirit of the Constitution, by abusing a provision in the Constitution which allows them to amend spending bills. They did this by substituting the entire text of a house bill with the text of the ACA, leaving only the bill number in tact. That isn't an "amendment" by anyone's definition! Respect for the Constitution? Balony! The Democrats have none!
Secondly, the Republicans won the House decisively in 2010 [and we held on to that control in 2012], a clear rebuke of Obama's policies, and further, winning governorships and State legislatures in many states.
The American people overwhelmingly are opposed to the ACA. Only 31% think it is a good idea. Most don't want it.
If the government shuts down, it will be because of the stupidity and obstinance of the Democrats, who are not listening to their constituents. The Democrats are the obstructionists here, and holding the American people hostage to the ACA and Obama's tyrannny.
It is not the purpose of either the House or the Senate to simply be a rubberstamp for the Presidents agenda, especially if that agenda is not in the best interests of the people, or is harmful to the preservation of freedom, and the United States of America.
The Constitution clearly states that it's (the Constitution's) purpose is "to establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare [well-being], and secure the Blessings of Liberty ... "
What part of that do you not understand?
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We can't get what we want through legislation? Fine, we'll shut down the government, slash the credit rating, and screw over the economy.
It is the Democrats that are threatening to shut down the government, if they don't get it their way.
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It's disgusting, and no decent, Constitution-loving person should stand for this, regardless of their personal opinion of Obamacare.
Wrong. We don't send our Representatives to Congresss to be a rubber stamp for Obama's or the Democrat's agenda. The vast majority of Americans are opposed to ObamaCare.
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When the government shuts down in a few days and bills/benefits already owed stop being paid; the nation's credit rating gets downgraded and interest on foreign debt shoots up; and your IRA/401K takes a hefty hit...remember come next election that you have the Republicans to thank for this. They will own 100% of it.
Wrong again, and becuase of Obama's policies, the Credit rating of the U.S. has already been down graded. Or have you forgotten? Look at how much our debt has increased under Obama.
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The rest of us sane members of the United States should not negotiate with terrorists.
Well, tell that to Obama, becuase he is negotiating with terrorists in the Middle East. Yes, your president is doing that.
Well now ..... that explains why the House passed a separate bill (unanimously) last night to try and protect the Military and make sure they get their pay checks. Obama did this "slash military pay" right in the middle of an attempt to get Congress to authorize him to use Military Force for an a "not war" on Syria. At the same time as "slash pay", he also wants them to pay more for their health care ..... while asking them to go to another "not war". He did all of this against a Law that both houses of Congress passed and he signed. One thing is clear - his words of praise for "his military" sure don't reflect his actions.
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Obama has also demanded the military pay more for health coverage, threatening to veto defense authorization bills unless service members are required to dig deeper into their own pockets for healthcare.
Seriously? Republicans are doing everything they possibly can to sabotage our economy. They need to stop being babies and accept the fact that Obamacare is here to stay and the voters have spoken.
What is sabotaging our economy is the ACA!
Full time work is re-defined to be 30 hours/wk. What affect do you think that has on families? It has a huge economic impact.
Businesses downsizing to under 50 employees, if they can manage it. Do you think that doesn't impact the economy? Massive layoffs of employees? The unemployment rate is at a 50 year high. It is worse than the Carter years.
The biggest drag on the economy right now is the ACA. Period.
"[T]he voters have spoken?" Yes, they have ... they are making their voices heard loudly and clearly; they do not want ObamaCare! The Democrats are not listening.
The Democrats are only intersted in protecting Obama, saving him the embarrassment of a defeat of his "signature legislation."
...or they need to wait until they win sufficient control of the House, Senate, and White House, and then pass a repeal.
That's how this country used to be governed.
Wrong.
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Nowhere in the Constitution does it say "if you don't get your way through the process we've set up, just conduct economic terrorism until you get your way." Republicans might as well tear up the Constitution and use if for toilet paper; they have now joined the ranks of anarchists and terrorists. Oh, the irony...
Your description of this as "economic terrorism" is not only ridiculous, it is very extreme, don't you think? If the Republicans are conducting economic terrorism, what do you call ObamaCare? ObamaCare is the most damaging piece of legislation to freedom and liberty in the history of this country. It is unconstitutional on a myriad of levels.
The Democrats already consider the Constitution, "toilet paper." The Republicans are fighting to preserve it.
Your posts show your ignorance, and they are pure Leftist propaganda.
Go away. You are one of those people who it is absolutely worthless to have a discussion on this board with. You make the most absurd claims with not a bit of accredited evidence and when proven wrong you whine and throw fits like a bratty child.
Hahahahaha! If you want to talk about absurd claims, go back and read the OP!!! It's a classic Leftist rant, filled with absurdity.
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