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Old 10-11-2013, 04:58 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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The ACA is a bad law. It originated in the Senate, which raises Constitutional problems under the "Origination Clause," those lawsuits working thier way through the courts. John Roberts added to the problem of "origination" when he changed the penalty to a tax, post facto. The Senate cannot originate tax bills (and the ACA also contained the "Medical Device Tax").

Further, some argue that the Senate cannot originate any spending bills (again, those challenges still working their way through the courts).

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I find two things very amusing about the Republicans railing against ACA.

First, it's a Republican plan that dates back as far as the Nixon administration. A Nixon economist and speech writer was on TV last week talking about this. He actually wrote part of the proposed legislation and he is adament that it hasn't been changed much. And that plan was put into effect later by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts. Still a Republican plan. Now the Republicans hate it.

Point two is that high number of people who hate Obamacare and prefer the Affordable Healthcare Act. Many were quoted on late night shows last week as saying "Obamacare is Socialist but the Affordable Healthcare Act isn't." It's the same damn plan folks.

The Tea Party has done an outstanding job of blurring the lines and confusing people across the US. In ten years, ACA will not be an issue at all. People hated Social Security when it was legislated. People hated Medicare when it was legislated. Both were considered evil, Socialist (or Communist) plans that would undermine the U.S. way of life. I now enjoy the benefits of both and consider them essential to make my way through the last years (of which I hope there are many).
Oh, the "late night shows!" Definitely reliable sources!

Who gives a damn about any of that?

Do you think it's only the "Tea Party" that has been against the ACA? Guess again.

Don't compare this with Social Security.

I'll advise you as you Leftists like to "advise" us: "Educate yourself!"
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Old 10-11-2013, 05:02 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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And the icing on the cake is that the GOP derisively dubbed it Obamacare. Ten years from now, when people enjoy it's benefits, it will be impossible to separate the president they hate with such passion from the program that proves to be so beneficial for so many. You've got to love the irony.
"Enjoy its benefits?" Poor quality care. Long waiting periods. Denial of service (because of age, perhaps, or even pre-existing conditions , or whatever some bureaucrat deems to be a reason why you shouldn't receive a procedure).
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Old 10-11-2013, 05:29 PM
 
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"Enjoy its benefits?" Poor quality care. Long waiting periods. Denial of service (because of age, perhaps, or even pre-existing conditions , or whatever some bureaucrat deems to be a reason why you shouldn't receive a procedure).
Really? Is that what all of you people who have been lucky enough to have insurance for the last 10 years have been experiencing? (I ask because I've been without it for that long, so I wouldn't know.) Because I'm just going to get insurance through an established insurance company, just like you. Are you getting poor quality and experiencing long waits because you have insurance?

(Psst...you can no longer be denied coverage due to age or preexisting conditions because of the ACA. You should try to get up to speed before you start spouting nonsense. Either that or change your name. )
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Old 10-11-2013, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Those cases are pending. They are moving forward. And, they are the strongest cases against the ACA.
Well wake me when one makes it to the Supreme Court. I am sure they will be as successful as the cases against Obama because he was born in Africa.
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Old 10-12-2013, 02:30 AM
 
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"Could" might be too nice a word. Participation is MANDATORY, with Federal law imposing stiff penalties if you don't sign up.
Ya sickening isnt it???

People dont have enuf to worry about and now they have to spend money on crap they dont want!! (Or try to fight it)
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Old 10-12-2013, 05:05 AM
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Location: Suburban Dallas
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You'd think that, with today's technology, anyone can put together a halfway-decent website. Yes, even that evil Obama.

These glitches you and I have been hearing about are not surprising at all. Just 51,000 are signed up for this scam, and I actually feel pretty sorry for those 51,000 people who somehow got in.
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Old 10-12-2013, 05:20 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Actually, I read somewhere yesterday afternoon that the number was something like 85,000.

My daughter tried healthcare.gov in the evening and it was up.

And there'll be more activity this weekend.
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Old 10-12-2013, 07:26 AM
 
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51,000 is very likely another Obama-lie:

Federal health exchange sending confusing enrollment information to insurers - The Washington Post

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Compounding the confusion, these electronic enrollment files are missing a critical element that they were built to include: a time stamp that would let a health plan track whether a consumer’s last step on the site was to actually sign up.

Insurers are uncertain of the cause of the flaws, with some speculating that the exchange cannot consolidate consumers’ moves through the Web site as they shop for and ultimately choose a health plan. Others say the problem could be unrelated software errors.
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Old 10-12-2013, 10:28 AM
 
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You'd think that, with today's technology, anyone can put together a halfway-decent website. Yes, even that evil Obama.

These glitches you and I have been hearing about are not surprising at all. Just 51,000 are signed up for this scam, and I actually feel pretty sorry for those 51,000 people who somehow got in.
You think that most of those that went through the arduous process of actually enrolling don't stand to benefit?
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Old 10-12-2013, 10:34 AM
 
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I'm pretty sure the 51,000 have just processed applications. From the terminology, it doesn't seem like all of them have enrolled in plans and paid. And we know that 9 out of 10 applications don't have enough information to be enrolled, so the people who have actually enrolled in a healthcare plan are probably very, very few of those 51,000.

Here's some numbers for processed applications, Buzzfeed has a higher total than 51,000, but again, just processed apps, not necessarily enrolled:

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